Let's find ways to dismiss American workers

[TheRake]

I haven't posted in a long time, but I read this forum all the time. I thought this video might generate some good discussion. I'll let it speak for itself...

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[bobman0330]

This irritates me. There are ALREADY laws that prevent companies from hiring the most qualified employee if that worker happens to be foreign-born. We've got these laws that make companies blow money on lawyers and jump through dumb hoops. And now we have propaganda pieces like this that demonize companies for complying with the law and doing their best to find the most qualified, most suitable worker.

Give me a break. Exactly how many advantages does the noble American worker need to compete with some poor disadvantaged guy from India or China? If American workers are losing their jobs to more qualified employees, how about they get their act together and develop some marketable skills? But that's not even a consideration. Go right to the government and demand a handout. More onerous laws to prevent companies from hiring the deserving candidates. Gigantic walls along the Rio Grande. Anything to prevent foreign workers from being able to compete fairly.

Disgraceful. If these losers can't hack it in the world economy, maybe we should set up a special welfare program for them. (Or maybe they should cut up some of their credit cards and start living within the means their limited skills can provide them.) But it makes me [censored] sick when all these whining rent-seekers try to clothe themselves in the mythology of the American Working Man. American industry became great because of competition, innovation, and hard work. The real American Working Man of legend was a productive, disciplined worker who just happened to be American. To hear people today, you'd think that it's a divinely-ordained law that every worthless drone born in Ohio or Illinois must have a cushy union job that pays him far out of proportion to the value of his labor. That sort of attitude is the real threat to the economic future of this country, not globalization.

[TheRake]

Wow! Well I can't say I didn't expect this kind of response from some, but not the 1st one [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

So according to you this video shows how Americans just can't hack it?

The video states clearly that they are looking for any possible reason to disqualify American workers. This includes pay scale. So if the applicant has an annual salary request of $30k/year on his resume and they only want to pay $25k/year they automatically disqualify even though his/her other qualifications may make them a perfect candidate for that job. They may take the job at a lower pay scale if they really need the work.

edit: They also metion in the vid that they should not include the wage they are willing to pay in the general ad.

[Brainwalter]

They're the ones looking to hire people, what business is it of yours how they decide whom to hire? What do you think should be done to them to make their hiring align with your desires?

Haven't watched the video yet.

[TheRake]

A level playing field might be a good place to start.

[Brainwalter]

I don't think you andwered either of my questions.

[bobman0330]

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So according to you this video shows how Americans just can't hack it?

The video states clearly that they are looking for any possible reason to disqualify American workers. This includes pay scale. So if the applicant has an annual salary request of $30k/year on his resume and they only want to pay $25k/year they automatically disqualify even though his/her other qualifications may make them a perfect candidate for that job. They may take the job at a lower pay scale if they really need the work.

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Why do you think they're going through this sham job search? I'm guessing that almost always it's going to be because they have a brilliant prospect they want to hire. Maybe it's because the foreign worker will work for less. In either case, they have to show that ZERO Americans will show up and offer to do the job. Why on earth would you expect them to go all out to find a marginally acceptable American to displace their first-choice candidate? If the American workers really were the best for the job, companies would go out of their way to find and hire them. I don't want to oversimplify, but companies are going to hire the workers who will add the most value to their enterprise. If they're going out of their way to avoid hiring Americans, then yes, I'd say that shows the Americans can't hack it.

[Hamish McBagpipe]

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And now we have propaganda pieces like this that demonize companies for complying with the law and doing their best to find the most qualified, most suitable worker.


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You don't expect the Programmers Guild, a union-like outfit, to try to protect and better the working conditions of its sector? These kind of professional organizations have been very successful in the past. Just ask your doctor, nurse, engineer, architect, or favorite ball player.

How does "Our goal is clearly NOT to find a qualified worker" appear to you not to be a circumvention of the law? And you still say they are doing their best to find the most qualified, most suitable worker?!?

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If the price of your job goes down because supply increases, too bad for you. Suck it up or develop some more valuable skills.

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Sure, I'm a 55 year old semi-skilled, trades, or manufacturing worker in Pittsburgh with 35 years in and it is too bad for me? Sorry, Bob, I'm going to try to protect my job. My freedom of association is still OK with you isn't it?

[Brainwalter]

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Sure, I'm a 55 year old semi-skilled, trades, or manufacturing worker in Pittsburgh with 35 years in and it is too bad for me? Sorry, Bob, I'm going to try to protect my job. My freedom of association is still OK with you isn't it?


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OK but what about my freedom of association? For whatever reason I want to hire an immigrant and I don't give a rat's ass about looking for a qualified American first.

[Hamish McBagpipe]

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To hear people today, you'd think that it's a divinely-ordained law that every worthless drone born in Ohio or Illinois must have a cushy union job that pays him far out of proportion to the value of his labor.

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Oh yeah, the phone is just ringing off the hook with employees dying to create unions within their workplace. Come off it, the union movement has been virtually destroyed in the US and you're still complaining that some people still harken back to a time (but don't do *%&^ all about it) when they could make a decent living for their families, doing an industrial job, without the fear of execution-style firings and intimidation.

The callous dismissal of the massive US working class and its attempts to better itself is regrettable.