Bots and the future of online poker

[Joe Tall]

The future of tournament poker:

http://www.pokerbotworldchampionship.com

[Joe Tall]

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However, there are billions at stake for the poker sites and I have full confidence that they will do everything they can to protect their cash cows.

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Bots pay a lot more rake than any player that has to sleep.

[hasugopher]

1. it's already been near-proven that there are bots playing and beating mid-high stakes cash games online.

2. it's not an issue that the poker sites are going to blow up. I think. See FTP.

3. obviously a poorly designed bot is going to be easily exploitable, no reason to discuss this.

4. anybody who thinks that a VERY well programmed bot is easy to exploit is wrong at best, ignorant at worst. Imagine if a few elite poker players hook up with a few elite programmers, and they have the hardware to back up what they can create, look out. A bot could 100% be programmed to base decisions on (nearly) unexploitable "random" play which could include reads, table dynamics or 'feel', etc. Poker players tend to have a way of exaggerating how complicated the game is that they play (i'm not arguing that it's simple).

To what extent this has ALREADY happened, I don't know.

[Reef]

I think a lot of players are taking this issue too lightly. Look at what bots did to online chess/backgammon for $$$. Yes they'll get better and better over time. Also, most importantly is that fish wont want to play if they know it's bot infested. Who cares if the hud users / skilled players / pros have a $2/hour-table advantage on them. we need the fish!!!

I would bet there are much much more than just 4 bot accounts out there.

[Starfish]

Please, specify if you are talking about limit poker or big bet poker, or tourney big bet poker.

[cbloom]

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I do CS and have done a lot of research into poker bots / research in the area and can safely say that within the next two years heads up limit will be practically solved by poker bots, shortly followed by limit ring. NL however is a different beast and I and many others can't see a world class bot being developed for at least 5-10 years.

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This is correct.

[sweetjazz]

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However unlike something like chess where the best chess bots are much better than the top human players, my guess is that the best human players will still be better than the top bots.

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That's largely an irrelevant consolation if bots become good enough to beat mediocre players and prevalent in the online poker community. That would be an end to the poker economy, once the bots became good enough that a top player cannot beat them for significantly more than the rake.

[bbbushu]

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I do CS and have done a lot of research into poker bots / research in the area and can safely say that within the next two years heads up limit will be practically solved by poker bots

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This is correct.

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goddamnit

[Gildwulf]

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any solid player should be able to exploit a bot easily

im not worried

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not the point

[kahntrutahn]

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any solid player should be able to exploit a bot easily

im not worried

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Some solid players are