Obvious Collusion at *edited* (Long -Cliff Notes at bottom)

[PokerBob]

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Not once have I ever suspected collusion or cheating of any kind.

I know who you're referring to, both are laggy and can get out of line often.

Get over yourself.

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C#1 would be under the gun with a hand like KK. He would limp, and C#2 would raise, a few on the table would call, UTG would make it three-bets, and C#2 would fold for one bet.

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I have never, ever seen this happen in this game, ever. If it did I would be pretty upset. I think you're full of s---.

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Well... if you were sitting at the table today around 2 pm you would have seen this happen. Seat 4 had KK under the gun and they pulled this move.

I had JJ on the button and the guy to my right almost got trapped with QQ in this hand for a lot of extra bets. The only thing that saved us was that he (QQ) and I both checked behind on the turn with the guy with KK was obviously trying to get in a check raise on the turn. For anyone sitting at the table, I even made a joke about living in Burbank, CA and knowing a bad actor when I saw one. I said out loud that I wasn't going to fall for that move... the player with KK just kind of put his head down, and had a laugh with his friend.

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wow. you are accusing the guy with KK of colluding????? that is hysterical. you are a [censored] moron.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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do you even feel like addressing my points? I have played hundreds of hours with both of those guys, both are laggy and can get v out of line against weak plays (i.e. limping) and obv scared shortstacks looking for steak dinners.

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I understand both of these guys are Laggy... so how do you explain one of them making it 4 or 5 bets preflop, then folding the flop for one bet?

Don't LAG players usually call down short handed to the river with anything they can 5 bet preflop with????

-OR- maybe there is just a standing rule between the crazy locals that you jam it preflop and only continue after the flop with a real hand... I don't know... but the whole deal was suspect.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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HOWEVER, if you really think that people who play short handed 30-60 are in the habbit of 4-5 betting preflop to drive out a middle player or a blind... then that same player check folds the flop... you're high

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your bro did the same thing. care to address that?

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NOT true... my bro... the one with the glasses check raised the flop several times short handed with something like bottom or mid pair... then if he ran into resistance and the opponent 3 bet him... he would get away from the hand. Not sure if this is weak strategy or not, but that is for another forum.

However, at NO time did he have a hand that he folded on the flop after putting in 4 bet preflop... that is just a lie.

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pbob has already said you screwed up the action on your previous hands I doubt you got that one right.

[PokerBob]

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HOWEVER, if you really think that people who play short handed 30-60 are in the habbit of 4-5 betting preflop to drive out a middle player or a blind... then that same player check folds the flop... you're high

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your bro did the same thing. care to address that?

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NOT true... my bro... the one with the glasses check raised the flop several times short handed with something like bottom or mid pair... then if he ran into resistance and the opponent 3 bet him... he would get away from the hand. Not sure if this is weak strategy or not, but that is for another forum.

However, at NO time did he have a hand that he folded on the flop after putting in 4 bet preflop... that is just a lie.

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ugh. he raised preflop and got 3bet from the blind. he called. flop QT8. he raised the flop and got 3bet. when he is closing the flop action, he is getting 13:1, yet he folded. in your retarded OP, you say Anyone that plays limit poker never folds the flop for one bet in an eleven bet pot

i think you are very very dumb.

[PokerBob]

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pbob has already said you screwed up the action on your previous hands I doubt you got that one right.

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i am obviously lying to protect the colluders.

[HOWMANY]

Can you guys please keep arguing about this? I still have to write a paper that's due in like 10 hours and have a class in 8 hours and the newhizzle/cassidy match is over so I need something to occupy myself with.

[PokerBob]

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Can you guys please keep arguing about this? I still have to write a paper that's due in like 10 hours and have a class in 8 hours and the newhizzle/cassidy match is over so I need something to occupy myself with.

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i think i am done. no one is this stupid. this has to be a leveling attempt. i have been gotten.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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Two of the players at the must move tried to pretend as though they didn't know eachother when my brother and I first sat down;

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I was in the game before you got there and when you arrived. They did not "pretend" to do anything. You guys bought in for a total of $1600-$1800. There are multiple fish who buy in for several thousand each in that game frequently. You guys did not present this great opportunity that only comes along once in a great while and so they had to capitalize on it by colluding. Get over yourself.

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The amount of money that one specific player buys in for in limit poker is absolutely irrelevant. two bets are two bets. Stealing 3 bets is still 3 bets no matter how much I have on the table, or in my pocket. Cheating and colluding in limit poker has nothing to do with the opponent or the amount of cash they buy in for. It has to do with best handing and squeezing.

I'm done wasting my time arguing with people that don't want to observe the game. I have a feeling you are trapped in your own tunnel vision because you happen to be winning players.

I'm flying out in the morning and won't be back for a couple years. I'm sure most of the regulars at that card room will be bust by the time I make it back to this lovely fly-over state.

All and all I had a pleasant experience in MN... and I even was polite today when I dropped $1500 in the 30-60. The plan was to come back and play for real... but to tell you the truth... I drank to much wine with the excellent Pizza from Carbone's.

For those of you playing at Canterbury... just keep an eye out...

Maybe for the better players (presumably the ones posting on 2+2) you guys are accidently sniffing out these cheats and avoiding them sub-conciously... but I assure you... it is happeing.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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HOWEVER, if you really think that people who play short handed 30-60 are in the habbit of 4-5 betting preflop to drive out a middle player or a blind... then that same player check folds the flop... you're high

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your bro did the same thing. care to address that?

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NOT true... my bro... the one with the glasses check raised the flop several times short handed with something like bottom or mid pair... then if he ran into resistance and the opponent 3 bet him... he would get away from the hand. Not sure if this is weak strategy or not, but that is for another forum.

However, at NO time did he have a hand that he folded on the flop after putting in 4 bet preflop... that is just a lie.

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ugh. he raised preflop and got 3bet from the blind. he called. flop QT8. he raised the flop and got 3bet. when he is closing the flop action, he is getting 13:1, yet he folded. in your retarded OP, you say Anyone that plays limit poker never folds the flop for one bet in an eleven bet pot

i think you are very very dumb.

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Not true... if its the hand you are talking about the flop was Q-10-2...

The under the gun limper was the one driving the action ( he had a set of dueces) and my brother was in the BB with Q-10.

He got in several bets on the flop and turn... then said out loud... "you got a set of dueces"... and he check called the river.

I think you have this hand backwards.