200NL: I hate myself (Hand against ASPoker8)

[pdoran10]

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i open shove the turn, ur ahead on the flop like always as played. turn didnt change anything, he can float with a wide range that can have plenty of outs going to the river.


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Thats a pretty huge open shove in comparison to the pot?

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lol missed stack sizes. still i think we are ahead here like 100% of the time and might consider it. I might bet like half pot on turn and river given stack sizes.

[orange]

he runs so good, he's gotta have a set here.

[pdoran10]

flop looks like a float with top pair, middle pair, or OESD. I think ASPoker raises this flop a vast majority of the time with a set or anything that is ahead.

[ASPoker8]

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he runs so good, he's gotta have a set here.

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lol everyone has funny views of me

[orange]

btw, AS, shoving the river doesnt seem very good if your looking for value. i would typically make it like $120 vs. any thinking opponent. if you were bluffing (which i doubt, no offense), then a larger bet makes sense. (though i cant really see WHAT you would be bluffing with- 86 maybe).

[Fat Nicky]

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shoving the river doesnt seem very good if your looking for value

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the over-bet shove (in this case the pot sized shove) is sometimes a better value bet against some opponents, particularly those that can't fold over pairs, no?

[orange]

yeah but any villan with a brain will realize that there is very little that he beats other than a bluff. and in my short experience/view of AS, i doubt he bluffs this river in an overbet shove.

[futuredoc85]

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if you're ahead of his range for getting to the river you're ahead of his range for shoving the river

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also if you're going to get all passive like this i agree w/ keanu that you need to call this fairly often since you opened yourself up to it.

[Clayton]

brag: my wisdom has infiltrated ASPoker's good nit brain and now he is a smart taglag capable of OWNING ALL OF YOU 2P2 NITS

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[Imrahil]

After thinking about this hand a lot, I think betting the turn is a must to prevent getting bluffed off our hand. Can't AS play perfectly against us? He can call PF with any PP to hit a set. Even when he misses the flop he can obviously bluff us off our hand. So basically we're never going broke unless we hit a set. So we have to play the hand in a way that prevents AS from bluffing us although he can still shove over our turn bet as a bluff. So when we stack off with just one pair we can only ever hope he's bluffing. Our hand is sort of a RIO hand IMHO.