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04-17-2007, 10:43 PM
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Re: Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?
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Yet it seems that guns are not really essential to the workings of the modern world. [/ QUOTE ] Neither are cigarettes, twinkies, swimming pools, beaches (shark attack OH NOES). 
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#32
04-17-2007, 10:48 PM
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Re: Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?
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[ QUOTE ] Do you have anything witty to say in comparing gun accident fatalities to poison accident fatalities? Like when there is a gun stored next to a bottle of lye? [/ QUOTE ] No. But it would probably help if I knew what lye was. [/ QUOTE ] substitute random chemicals people are accidently poisoned with. Gun next to bottle of bleach. Gun next to bottle of drain cleaner. People are like what ? 20 times more likely to die by accidently poisoning than by firearm accident lol.... woops there goes some bleach down my throat lol
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#33
04-17-2007, 10:49 PM
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Re: Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?
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41,650 deaths related to motor vehicle accidents, 17,229 in falls at home and on the job, 3,306 from water in drowning, 19,457 from poisoning, in the same year, 3,369 due to fire or burns, 3,200 due to choking, and 900 from guns Note that the top category of vehicle accidents is 45 times greater than the bottom category of guns. Should we outlaw cars, and ladders? If guns are so dangerous, why is it like 18 or so times more likely to die from a fall? lol http://www.lindleyonline.com/gunstats/stats.htm [/ QUOTE ] We can't have a risk-free society, and no one's arguing for one. This little game of listing all the other ways you could possibly die serves no purpose at all. But just like we have traffic laws to try and minimize the death and injury from driving, or smoke alarm/sprinkler laws in apartment buildings, there should be laws to minimize the possible harm from guns. Many traffic laws are just commonsense precautions, and so are many of the proposed gun laws (closing the gun show loophole, background chhecks for ex.) Yet for some reason gun owners equate them with "taking away my right to defend myself." It's not taking away your rights any more than a driver's test is taking away your right to drive.
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#34
04-17-2007, 10:51 PM
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Top Ten \"gun control\" myths
MYTH: Most gun deaths are caused by accidents or by crazed madmen.
FACT: More than two out of every three gun deaths are either suicides or drug-related murders. Source: Centers For Disease Control - Deaths 1998 (625KB document!) and U.S. Department Of Justice - Bureau of Justice Statistics MYTH: Twelve children are killed with guns each day. FACT: Half of the people that politicians count as "children killed with guns" were actually legally adults. The gun murder rate started falling when crack cocaine started going out of style in 1990. In 1997, 2284 children aged 0-17 years were killed with guns, most of them teenagers. That is 6 per day. In 1998, the number dropped to 1971, still mostly teenagers. That is 5 per day. The age distribution of child gun deaths tracks the age distribution of child drug dealers. Source: Centers For Disease Control MYTH: The best way to protect children from guns is to keep children ignorant about them. FACT: The best way to protect children from guns is to teach them gun safety and lock up guns whenever it is practical to do so. "Ignorance is best" is the old argument against sex-education, reworded by the same people who ridiculed it when it was used by sex-education opponents. With more than 250 million guns in the USA, children will encounter one sooner or later, especially if they live around police, security guards, hunters, or the military. MYTH: Trigger locks are the best protection against unauthorized gun use. FACT: The best protection against unauthorized gun use is to keep guns in a child-proof burglar-proof safe whenever they are not being used for hunting, self-protection, or target-shooting. Trigger locks do not protect guns from being stolen, and an improperly-installed trigger lock can cause a gun to fire accidentally, especially if the gun is dropped. MYTH: The politicians who talk loudest about "gun-control" work hard to prevent gun violence. FACT: After demanding passage of the Brady Law, the Clinton-Gore administration prosecuted fewer than 5 out of every 100 convicted felons who violated the law. In 1998 only 102 out of 90,000 were federally prosecuted. Source: U.S. Department Of Justice - Bureau of Justice Statistics, courtesy of US Congressman John Dingell MYTH: If guns were illegal, criminals would not have guns. FACT: Guns are readily available in China, Eastern Europe, and illegal-drug-producing countries such as Mexico and Columbia. Criminals smuggled 690,000 pounds of cocaine into the USA in the first 6 months of 2000. Thousands of guns can be hidden in 690,000 pounds of cocaine. Source: USA Today newspaper, 28 September 2000, page 3A MYTH: Mandatory gun registration means all guns must be registered. FACT: Because it is already illegal for convicted felons to own guns, the Fifth Amendment protects felons from being forced to incriminate themselves by registering their guns. Any criminal can easily avoid gun registration by committing a felony and getting probation, or by storing his guns at the home of a convicted felon. If his existing guns are confiscated, he can buy more from any drug dealer. Source: Fifth Amendment To The Constitution Of The United States and the US Supreme Court ruling Haynes Versus United States MYTH: "Gun-control" organizations are run by dedicated volunteers. FACT: The president of Handgun Control Incorporated (HCI) makes more than $150,000 per year from gun violence. Source: HCI financial filings MYTH: The National Rifle Association (NRA) is evil. FACT: For several decades the NRA has been working to reduce gun deaths. Their "Eddie Eagle" videos teach young children that when they encounter a gun they should: "Stop! Don't touch. Leave the area. Tell an adult." The NRA's magazines are full of advertisements for child-proof burglar-proof gun safes. The NRA-supported Project Exile has reduced gun deaths in Richmond, Virginia by strongly punishing criminals who use guns in crimes. The NRA has selfish reasons to fight gun violence: More gun deaths means more votes for anti-gun politicians and more money for multi-million-dollar "gun-control" businesses such as Handgun Control Incorporated. Source: NRA "Eddie Eagle" videotape and American Rifleman magazine MYTH: "Gun-control" laws worked in England. FACT: After more than fifty years of "sensible gun-control laws," English criminals have more than three million illegal guns, twice as many as ten years ago. Source: The Sunday Times newspaper, 16 January 2000, Killings rise as 3m illegal guns flood Britain and The Guardian newspaper, 23 October 2000, US-style gun law comes to Britain http://www.tincher.to/myths.htm
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#35
04-17-2007, 11:05 PM
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Re: Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?
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substitute random chemicals people are accidently poisoned with. Gun next to bottle of bleach. Gun next to bottle of drain cleaner. People are like what ? 20 times more likely to die by accidently poisoning than by firearm accident lol.... woops there goes some bleach down my throat lol [/ QUOTE ] Ok wittisisms aside. I'm not entirely sure what your getting at. Is it that a gun and a bottle of poison side by side are unequal threats? Or is that a site which intentionally ignores the key statistal component of opportunity should be taken as proof that guns are really one of the safest things in an extremely dangourous world.
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#36
04-17-2007, 11:08 PM
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Re: Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?
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Many traffic laws are just commonsense precautions, and so are many of the proposed gun laws (closing the gun show loophole, background chhecks for ex.) [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] # According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from - * a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2% * a retail store or pawnshop for about 12% * family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80% [/ QUOTE ] Bureau of Justice Statistics
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#37
04-17-2007, 11:14 PM
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Re: Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?
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[ QUOTE ] substitute random chemicals people are accidently poisoned with. Gun next to bottle of bleach. Gun next to bottle of drain cleaner. People are like what ? 20 times more likely to die by accidently poisoning than by firearm accident lol.... woops there goes some bleach down my throat lol [/ QUOTE ] Ok wittisisms aside. I'm not entirely sure what your getting at. Is it that a gun and a bottle of poison side by side are unequal threats? [/ QUOTE ] How many lives have bottles of bleach saved in the hands of responsible citizens being attacked by criminals intent on rape, robbery, murder?
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#38
04-17-2007, 11:16 PM
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Re: Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If I walk into a room and there is a rattlesnake in one corner and a gun in the other corner, which poses a greater danger to me? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You'ld probably fall and kill yourself anyway [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It's more likely for that to kill me than a gun accident, isn't it. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] I don't have any statistics [/ QUOTE ] Go get some and lets discuss them.
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#39
04-18-2007, 01:06 AM
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Re: Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?
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From 1990 to 1997, there were 293,781 firearm deaths in the U.S. Yeah, guns and cars are dangerous. [/ QUOTE ] It's misleading to compare gun deaths to car deaths. You are (for the most part) comparing accidents to murders. Accident to accident a 1 gallon bucket of water is more dangerous to a 0-5 year old than a gun. A swimming pool is 100x more dangerous to children. When it comes to murders the debate gets extremely controversial about how much guns increase the homicide rate. According to Cardiff University boots are the most dangerous weapons in England. By the same token the murders by firearms was lower when there were no gun laws in England. Everything is dangerous in the the wrong hands (or on the wrong feet).
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