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04-11-2007, 10:31 PM
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Re: Johan breaks off talks with Twins - to be FA in 2008
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Dice-K didn't get signed for $100M, he got $50M over 6. [/ QUOTE ] technically correct but barely relevant to the op [/ QUOTE ] It's clearly relevant. He's not getting $18.7M a year, which would be something like top 10 salary per year, he's getting <$9M, which isn't top 50. After all, this thread is about comparing salaries. [/ QUOTE ] If the Sox didn't need to pay the fee to DM's previous team, then DM would've gotten the money. The full package is the appropriate amount to use for this. [/ QUOTE ] So if DM was a free agent from the Rockies, the Red Sox would have had to spend $100M+ for him? 
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#33
04-11-2007, 10:36 PM
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Yeah, that doesn't make sense. If they didn't have to pay the $50M to talk to the team, then they would not have paid $50M to talk to the team. [/ QUOTE ] I would concede that if it was more of an open market the bidding would have gone higher than $50M, but you can't just assume it goes up above 100M. More like 60-70 probably. There really isn't a way to tell.
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#35
04-11-2007, 10:39 PM
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Re: Johan breaks off talks with Twins - to be FA in 2008
Also consider that 50 of the 100 million the Sox paid doesn't affect their cap. Unless I'm mistaken.
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#36
04-11-2007, 10:46 PM
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Also consider that 50 of the 100 million the Sox paid doesn't affect their cap. Unless I'm mistaken. [/ QUOTE ] that's why he cost the Sox slightly less than had they signed a US player for the same $100m. if he was a US FA he would have gone for close to the same $100m/6, the Red Sox just created an accounting trick by not having to account for $50m of it under the cap. but they still had to pay it. the avoided cap penalty was relevent to the Sox, but wouldn't have been for most other teams.
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#37
04-11-2007, 10:50 PM
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Re: Johan breaks off talks with Twins - to be FA in 2008
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Dice-K didn't get signed for $100M, he got $50M over 6. [/ QUOTE ] technically correct but barely relevant to the op [/ QUOTE ] It's clearly relevant. He's not getting $18.7M a year, which would be something like top 10 salary per year, he's getting <$9M, which isn't top 50. After all, this thread is about comparing salaries. [/ QUOTE ] If the Sox didn't need to pay the fee to DM's previous team, then DM would've gotten the money. The full package is the appropriate amount to use for this. [/ QUOTE ] So if DM was a free agent from the Rockies, the Red Sox would have had to spend $100M+ for him? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. Either that, or the Red Sox dramatically misjudged the market and way overpaid for him in aggregate. Which happens in free agency as well. Either way, it seems likely they would've paid a similar amount.
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#38
04-11-2007, 10:59 PM
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Re: Johan breaks off talks with Twins - to be FA in 2008
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[ QUOTE ] Dice-K didn't get signed for $100M, he got $50M over 6. [/ QUOTE ] technically correct but barely relevant to the op [/ QUOTE ] COMPLETELY relevant. Dice-K 'got' $100 million because he allowed the Red Sox to expand their brand to the Japanese market. It drives me nuts that people keep sighting the $100 million. They'll be making most of it back in shirt/hat sales etc., more than they would have with any other player.
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#39
04-11-2007, 11:02 PM
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Re: Johan breaks off talks with Twins - to be FA in 2008
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Dice-K didn't get signed for $100M, he got $50M over 6. [/ QUOTE ] technically correct but barely relevant to the op [/ QUOTE ] COMPLETELY relevant. Dice-K 'got' $100 million because he allowed the Red Sox to expand their brand to the Japanese market. It drives me nuts that people keep sighting the $100 million. They'll be making most of it back in shirt/hat sales etc., more than they would have with any other player. [/ QUOTE ] you don't understand MLB revenue sharing. they will make some money back from incremental revenue from their own efforts in Japan, but intelligent estimates put this at around 2-3m PA, at most. here is a good article which breaks it down
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#40
04-11-2007, 11:17 PM
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Aren't they getting a new stadium within the near future? Huge back-loaded contract? I can see it happening. [/ QUOTE ] both the mets and yankees are getting a new stadium in 2009. the war between the two teams to have him as their opening day starter will probably get ridiculous if it gets that far
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