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#31
03-25-2007, 11:48 AM
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Iran Reveals Their Objective
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1563877.ece
The Iranian play is now transparent. The USA and UK have captured Iranian spies in Iraq supporting the insurgency. Iran wants these people back. So they kidnap some British and insist upon a "spy" exchange. Just like the Soviets-USA did only several occasions. This is an OUTRAGOUS move since by defintion uniform-wearing-soldiers can NOT be spies. I am feeling good about this situation. Iran is OVERPLAYING their hand badly and is giving the USA/UK the excuse on a silver platter to bomb their nuclear installations. I will FEEL SICK, is Blair/Bush43 puss-out. 
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#32
03-25-2007, 02:20 PM
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Damn, I\'m Smart!
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_he...-name_page.html
Damn I'm smart! Mods I propose that my title should be changed to "Modern Day Cassandra". Cassandra was cursed by Apollo to see the future but with the stipulation that no one would ever believe her.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra Not that a blind drunk couldn't see the game the Iranians are playing.....
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#33
03-25-2007, 03:49 PM
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Re: Damn, I\'m Smart!
It's really almost as if Iran wants a war, and their threats such as, "we will attack with everything in our arsenal."
scare me. It's almost as if they have nukes, and are looking for a reason to use them (even though it's very unlikely), maybe some other WMD's such as chemical/biological? They really can't think that their military could stand up to any sort of US/EU coalition force that would result from these kidnappings, if this escalates. I'm pretty sure that back in the day this would be an automatic declaration of war.
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#34
03-25-2007, 04:25 PM
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Re: Damn, I\'m Smart!
Nah--it's more of a show of force to the Iranian government telling its citizens that they are strong and in a position of strength. The soldiers will be let go in due time and this incident will be like it never happened (until it happens again).
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#35
03-25-2007, 04:32 PM
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Re: Damn, I\'m Smart!
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Nah--it's more of a show of force to the Iranian government telling its citizens that they are strong and in a position of strength. The soldiers will be let go in due time and this incident will be like it never happened (until it happens again). [/ QUOTE ] The have to think there is a very real possibility that they will be attacked. We have two carrier groups in the Persian Gulf, and 250,000 troops in the vicinity (135,000 in Iraq). Show of strength or not, it's as if they have concept of the consequences If a war breaks out, I'm fairly sure this one will be widely backed by Nato/EU/US/UN. I was also looking at the modern UK Navy expecting to see a modern fleet, and the [censored] that they have floating on the water looks like the crap our Coast Guard is using. Old 1960's era boats (and very few of them at that), and I was confused as this is a country that has always had a strong navy.
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#36
03-25-2007, 04:47 PM
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Re: Damn, I\'m Smart!
This is the Middle East we are talking about--the best analogy is the big bad wolf huffing and puffing and trying to blow down a steel house and hoping it rattles a few feathers.
They are not stupid enough to incite an attack with their actions--it is much easier to rally a country when you are attacked "unprovoked" instead of doing something so overt to incite the attack. Saddam found that out after he attacked Kuwait and his soldiers just got out of the way for us.
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#37
03-25-2007, 05:01 PM
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1941 Japan and 2007 Iran
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It's really almost as if Iran wants a war, and their threats such as, "we will attack with everything in our arsenal." scare me. [/ QUOTE ] The Iranians feel emboldened and they think Bush/Blair will cave. The recent election failures of 'Bush's political party' have made the Iranians think they can make this power play work. Consider the Pearl Harbor thread that was posted today. Every poster agree the Japanese were STUUUPID to attack the USA. Looking back is seems incredible they could be so dumb. The modern Iranians are not much smarter than the Japanese political leadership in 1941. They are over-playing their hand badly. Now the ball is in Blair/Bush's court..... I hope Bush/Blair realize this is a heaven-sent "respect opprtunity" to "redeploy" bombers over Iranian airspace. The causi belli prerequisite has been satsified.
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#38
03-25-2007, 05:14 PM
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Re: 1941 Japan and 2007 Iran
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] It's really almost as if Iran wants a war, and their threats such as, "we will attack with everything in our arsenal." scare me. [/ QUOTE ] The Iranians feel emboldened and they think Bush/Blair will cave. The recent election failures of 'Bush's political party' have made the Iranians think they can make this power play work. Consider the Pearl Harbor thread that was posted today. Every poster agree the Japanese were STUUUPID to attack the USA. Looking back is seems incredible they could be so dumb. The modern Iranians are not much smarter than the Japanese political leadership in 1941. They are over-playing their hand badly. Now the ball is in Blair/Bush's court..... I hope Bush/Blair realize this is a heaven-sent "respect opprtunity" to "redeploy" bombers over Iranian airspace. The causi belli prerequisite has been satsified. [/ QUOTE ] I think the Iranian leadership views the U.S. as having too much on its plate, and as being politically divided. Therefore I will guess that Iran will keep pushing the envelope, as it were, in various ways, unless it becomes apparent that they really are about to be attacked. edited: I read that England is saying they have GPS proof that their sailors were in Iraqi waters. A quick search failed to find the link, though.
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#39
03-25-2007, 06:05 PM
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Re: British troops seized by Iranian Revolutionary Guard
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Britain’s crisis with Iran deepened last night after Tehran justified seizing 15 British servicemen by claiming that they had strayed into Iranian territorial waters “illegally”. The announcement appeared to rule out any hope that the incident was a simple mistake that could be quickly rectified. Instead, there were growing fears that the 15 British sailors and Royal Marines were victims of a deliberate ambush on the disputed Shatt al-Arab waterway by Iranian Revolutionary Guards, perhaps seeking to use the captives as hostages in the increasingly tense stand-off between the West and Iran over its nuclear programme. Link to Times article [/ QUOTE ] British national 'defense' agents get captured in Iranian waters. Right... Maybe a good question would be: what the hell are they doing there. All of this reeks of course of all prior initiated conflicts by the west. Vietnam, WWI, WWII, etc.
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#40
03-25-2007, 06:22 PM
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Re: British troops seized by Iranian Revolutionary Guard
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The British Government says the sailors were in Iraqi waters, a claim supported by Commander Kevin Andal, US Navy fifth fleet spokesman, which helps maintain security in Iraqi waters. "We've been operating in those waters for some years now and all our ship commanders who are participating in the coalition are under clear understanding," he said. "Our charts are very accurate and up-to-date, as well as our GPS information. "We know where the lines are and we respect those lines and we don't cross them." [/ QUOTE ]
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