when giving free cards is better than betting vulnerable hands

[ArmenH]

Do you mind if I ask where you were playing such a big NL game live? Was this at a casino? I love the way you played the hand. The best part of this hand is you know what you're up against and the cards you need to dodge. Being so deep stacked you have to let your opponent draw to his fullhouse for free, if river bricks , you stack, if it pairs you can lay down knowing his holdings. It's a great way to protect your money. I'd check behind on turn here too.

[innerpeace]

cero, i'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish. really, i am posting a hand because i believe it contains a concept that some on these boards will benefit from. if you take issue with something i've said, just say so directly, i don't know why people here feel the need to make posts like the one you did. i'm more perturbed it came from you given the quality of posts i've seen from you in the past.

[BIGFISH2007]

I have been lurking here for at least several years and surprised to see a hand in which I'm a villain. (Barring a cosmic coincidence.)

Innerpeace is aggressive, sometimes too aggressive if you ask me (not quite the playing style you expect of someone with his screen name). His raise smelled like he wanted to bluff push the turn if I called. If I raise the flop he folds garbage. If I call he can donk of the rest of his stack. Yes he can suck out. But it is a risk I am willing to take since I know I win more money that way in the long run. Of all the hands he could have had he had one that could suck out.

I think I played the hand correctly given his playing style. He just got lucky. Simple as that.

Also, I resent the hollywooding comment, I don't know what the **** he is talking about. Despite that, if I fill up, he is still calling at least a small bet on the river. He is scary good at putting people on hands though, but there's NO WAY he gets away from this without forking over some chips.

[innerpeace]

armen, the game was not played in a casino. these limits are not spread too often at casinos, except maybe if there is a major tournament happening concurrently or if the right people are in town. perhaps with more cash games shown on tv, it will start happening more.

[ArmenH]

I understand. I like how the hand was played from both of your prespectives. QJ is a very unlikey holding for innerpeace in this hand and a set understandably should expect to have the best hand at showdown more likey than not..What happened on the river? The dynamics of this hand are very interesting..What were you intending on doing on the turn if it were a blank innerpeace? Are you always giving up on turn unless it's a K?

[illuminati]

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Hi innerpeace,

Thanks for sharing a look into super-high-stakes poker. When I read posts like yours, I can tell that I will never get to your level of thinking. Do you do any coaching?

Not that it compares with your play in the OP, but here's a hand I played recently that has some similar features.

Home game in Flint, MI. 1000/2000 NL, 4000 to go. 9-handed, effective stacks 440K. I open for 4K UTG with T9o. The field plays pretty timidly at these stakes (we only play this high once a week; normal game is 500/1000 NL), so I expect to get HU with the blinds most of the time. But now, a really tricky villain makes it 78K on the button. All fold to me. I look at him and, based on his posture, tentatively put him on a range of AK (suited or not), 22-44, or T7o. I know that if I push now, he will see through it and insta-call with everything but T7, but if I wait to the flop, medium cards might land, and I can *possibly* get him off the small pairs with a push, while getting my money in way ahead when his T7 connects. Obviously, if a 7 flops, I have to c/f. I haven't done the EV calcs, because I'm not sure how, but does this type of thinking make sense to you?

Smooches

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[Jack Ruby]

Seems like a simple ratio:

6 QJ Kill Action
10 Cards create Boat/Quads Saving money.

Reading the guy down to only two hands sounds like [censored]. If you can read the game that well, it really doesn't matter what you do. Only a matter of time for you to bust the game.

[cero_z]

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cero, i'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish. really, i am posting a hand because i believe it contains a concept that some on these boards will benefit from. if you take issue with something i've said, just say so directly, i don't know why people here feel the need to make posts like the one you did. i'm more perturbed it came from you given the quality of posts i've seen from you in the past.

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OK, I'll say it directly. I believe: This hand did not happen, you do not play high stakes poker, and the subject you bring up has been discussed at length on this board before. The guy with 4 posts who says he was the villain is most likely you, as well, and I think you probably also were behind the "Huckster" account that most here believed was Huck Seed, and then claimed to have known all along when I busted you (this means you, FSU, and you, KKF). I don't know why I care about busting trolls, but I'm just so sick of what this board is becoming that I think I'm twoplustilting. I think I'd better step away for a while. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Sehr Gut]

You are saying he is scary good to put people on hands.
What hand do you think he will put you on when you call?

Sure you wont get anything more out if you reraise when he got garbage, but im not so sure you would anyway.
If he can do this play with a wide range, KQ QJ KJ must be very likely hands. i dont know about 53 52 43, if they are also possible.

If you play like this you are giving him a chance to see the turn and the river which just cant be good.

[creedofhubris]

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