Tipping Threads: Whats your opinion?

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Thanks TT i never new that, but as far as locking threads i'm not a fan of thread locking because what if someone wants to chime in on the subjuct. For instance i recently made a thread about tipping at the end of the time instead of after each pot. I feel thats a thread that shouldn't be locked just because its on tipping. I felt its a good thread that had some good topics. I agree to make a sticky about tipping but leave the forum open to new discusion. If people don't want to read about tipping than I suggest not opening topics that start with tipping.

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Ahh... your example is another reason why tipping threads were discouraged. Too many posters with their own personal agenda have tried to encourage things like not tipping, only tipping a buck or two at the end of a down, etc. This not the norm, not good for the dealer's wages, and therefore not good for the game. I have to check with RR but I think we would continue to lock those threads because I view them to be trollish (even if the intentions are good such as you pointed out) and bad for the long term prosperity of the game.

Think of it this way - there is always the alternative of ePoker, and personally I have no interest in playing on one of those stupid tables.

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I agree but imo i'm new and when I ever try to do a search on something its hard as hell. I mean lets say i want to find something on tipping. I type that in and get just about everything possible but instead of displaying just the opening post thread it displays everyone and thus clutters up the search results. If you can some how make the search more user friendly that would be great.

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Its rather easy actually. Forget this site's search function and use Google instead. site:twoplustwo.com will restrict the content to this site.

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Now to the OP: I have a well-documented intolerance for anything that gets discussed over and over again without any new ground being covered. I think everyone should post his or her opinion on tipping somewhere, where a new case is discovered that hasn't been addressed before maybe it should be added, and the whole thing should take up no more than one thread on here.

I've offered the wiki for this purpose, but few see any value there so we get what we get as a result.

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If we told everyone to visit the wiki then there would be no B&M forum. Its a helpful resource, but we want the focus to remain on the B&M forum and the community built here - not a third party site.

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Its rather easy actually. Forget this site's search function and use Google instead. site:twoplustwo.com will restrict the content to this site.

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If you use Firefox, you can add a dedicated search for this (Googling twoplustwo forums) to your Search Engine toolbar.



Go here to add this option to your list of searches.

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STEVE!!!! Why didn't you tell me about this earlier!!!!! Thats fantastic!

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[RJT]

Of course you should permit tipping threads for the exact reason you stated:

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B&M is not a closed community, there are many people that come and go who do not follow this forum daily and therefore may not know that a previous discussion on the same topic already exists. Also as everyone who has ever spent time in a B&M card room knows tipping is a part of poker culture and community; but that doesn't mean that the reasons for tipping or the amounts to tip are known by all.

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Along with the fact that, despite your contention that the search function is relatively simple, it is in fact not so easy to obtain usable results for those of us who are not so savvy.

The third reason you should not lock tipping threads is because it is “nittish” to do so. - Many of the forums on 2+2 are becoming very cliquish – those “in the know” and those “not in the know”. I am becoming somewhat disenchanted with 2+2 as of late, but that is for another discussion. – What does it possibly matter if there is a tipping thread posted today that has been discussed last week (that is, is not on the first few pages)? If one does not want to read another tipping thread – umm, don’t read it. In the strategy sections – do you think there are not hands posted that are basically the same hand that have been done before?

Locking threads that are not insulting (or for similar reasons), but for reasons like “it has been done” before, is elitism. You, TT, have always come across as someone above the norm, in the know, confident in your knowledge and stature. Yet, you have never acted superior. Don’t let power corrupt you – it is beneath you.

[LasVegasMichael]

In its current state, I don't mind the repetitive tipping threads. HOWEVER, a couple months ago TomBrooks when on a bumping frenzy, knocking a TON of old tipping threads to the front page. That pretty much turned me off to tipping threads altogether, and I pretty much haven't even clicked on one since.

Though I personally would like to see a strong reduction in them as to me they are all ad nauseum, I realize that B&M is not all about me, so therefore, I feel that the current state of them is satisfactory (not great, but not bad either).

[AlaskaGal]

I think tipping threads should be allowed. I understand how to tip a dealer but I actually like reading opinions and suggestions of others.

The search function doesn't always work well for me either (operator error) so I can understand when someone new to the forum might have had a problem.

[NickMPK]

How about this rule:

For every tipping thread they start, a poster must post a trip report containing at least two amusing strip club/hooker/crazy girlfriend stories.

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In its current state, I don't mind the repetitive tipping threads. HOWEVER, a couple months ago TomBrooks when on a bumping frenzy, knocking a TON of old tipping threads to the front page.

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Tom forgot to take his meds that day or something, he is a much more reasonable person than he came across at the time. Thats an extreme example, its far from the norm and was delt with right away. And we will always deal with disruptions like that, using a mixture of the three penalties we have within our power - locking of threads, suspension, or banning (banning goes down to the IP level if necessary). Of course we try to be as lenient as possible, offering second chances etc. We also try to keep our personal opinions from clouding our judgment... we moderate for you - the participants in the B&M forum, not for ourselves.

Good insights so far in this thread.. thanks!

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Locking threads that are not insulting (or for similar reasons), but for reasons like “it has been done” before, is elitism. You, TT, have always come across as someone above the norm, in the know, confident in your knowledge and stature. Yet, you have never acted superior. Don’t let power corrupt you – it is beneath you.

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no worries, power wont corrupt me or RR because being a moderator is a helping position, not a position of real power. We are here to make things better for you all, not worse.

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[Wongboy]

I vote for allowing tipping threads and also adding a sticky. Tipping threads should clearly indicate that they are about tipping.

Here is my rationale - I think that tipping threads invariably turn into flame wars between people who want to force their personal opinion on others (both pro-tip and anti-tip people are guilty of this). It is similar in a way to asking "what percentage of my income should I donate to charity?", or "should I go to church every Sunday?". That being said, I think that there is no harm in allowing tipping threads as long as they are clearly marked as such.

It would also be helpful to have a sticky that explained that tipping is a personal decision, and people have very passionate and very different beliefs on the subject. The sticky should also include a list of some of the more or less accepted norms for tipping all of the various people you might run across during your B&M experience (valets, front desk clerks, maids, waitstaff at restaurants, dealers, chip runners, floor people, etc). You could include a range where appropriate. It would also be helpful to understand who you should NOT attempt to tip (people that cannot accept tips or who might be offended in some way).

This way, if someone is planning their first trip to a B&M, they can get the info they need (from the sticky) to avoid looking / feeling foolish. If people want to try to change other people's personal values about tipping, they can start a new thread that will likely degenerate into a flame war. At least they will have been warned via the sticky.