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| a sport |
   
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5 | 1.52% |
| a hobby |
  
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68 | 20.73% |
| a game |
  
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82 | 25.00% |
| a way of making money |
  
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136 | 41.46% |
| a way of fighting |
  
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3 | 0.91% |
| something to do in my life |
  
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17 | 5.18% |
| important food for my brain |
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9 | 2.74% |
| something else than above |
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5 | 1.52% |
| I really don't know |
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3 | 0.91% |
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#31
02-06-2007, 12:59 AM
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Re: jaime gold = spew
Why the profanity? Did I offend you by discussing this issue? However, to your question, it matters becuase (as I noted in my previous post) the Calling player has paid for the information of what cards Jamie is playing and betting. As I am sure you are aware, it is the player that last initiated the action that is obligated to show his hand. Follow this becuase this is the important part, Gold shows his hand then the Calling player is the one that gets the option to either muck his hand or show it. Jamie does not get this option. What would be a breach of poker etiquite is if Jamie had showed a winning hand and then Jamie asking to see the hand of the Calling Player.
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#32
02-06-2007, 01:10 AM
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Re: jaime gold = spew
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Why the hell does it make any difference if Jamie holds onto his cards until the other guy flips his hand? The result of him mucking is EXACTLY the same. It is a breech of etiquette for the calling player to ask to see Jamie's hand. [/ QUOTE ] Well not EXACTLY since GOld isnt showing his hand. And if you're saying Gold isnt prone to angle shooting, then you havent been paying attention.
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#34
02-06-2007, 01:47 AM
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Re: jaime gold = spew
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gold, ramdin, chen and alaei don't belong in HSP. Good players but it just doesn't feel right. [/ QUOTE ] I see one good player in that list.
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#35
02-06-2007, 01:52 AM
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Re: jaime gold = spew
Man, I'll put up my left nut as collateral to get money to play on that table. I'd put up both nuts for a seat to the left of Gold. That was one horrendous string of plays we've been subjected to. The only positive is that it's nice to see Gold being cut down in size.
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#36
02-06-2007, 02:21 AM
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Re: jaime gold = spew
Backhanded compliment of the day:
Matusow: "I don't care what anyone says, Jamie Gold is a gentleman and a nice guy." Kid Poker twists the knife: "Who says anything else about him?" Everybody else at the table bites their tongue.
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#37
02-06-2007, 02:38 AM
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Re: jaime gold = spew
I agree this is common behavior in live games and it's not angle shooting per se and it's also not unethical, it's just a low thing to do (if done on purpose, sometimes it's simply ignorance).
You are basically hoping to get information without giving information. The showdown order rules exist for a reason. Obviously if they want to let him slide on it that's their decision (because like others have said, you wanna keep him happy at the table donking off chips) but he's a douche for trying it. When HU and you bet and your opponents calls you, you should do one of two things immediately 1. Table your hand 2. Muck your hand, thus hiding what it was, but giving the pot to your opponent no matter what he actually has and he is under no obligation to show. If your opponents wanna let any other behavior slide, that's fine, but those are simply the showdown order rules.
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#38
02-06-2007, 03:54 AM
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Re: jaime gold = spew
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Did anyone else notice that every time Gold would bet out and get called, then Gold would not show his hand. Gold would simply say you have me then wait until the player that called him would show the winning hand. The Player that called should have waited until Gold showed his hand before they showed their winning hand. Gold was trying to hide his cards and not give any information on what he was playing. The player that was last to initiate the action is obligated to show his hand first. Cheap amature trick that the classy pros were letting him get away with. 3Beers. [/ QUOTE ]thats poor etiquette. I would hope these guys would know better.
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#39
02-06-2007, 03:56 AM
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Re: jaime gold = spew
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I think the problem is not him just instamucking his hand, which he of course can do and forfeit any claim to the pot however Gold says some little speech about "You got me, I have nothing", etc. and he DOESN'T muck, he just plays with his cards, waiting for player B to show and then after player B shows he mucks. If Gold wants to muck first that's fine, becaue then player B doesn't have to show to win, however his lame attempt to try to get info off of player B without giving up any when he's obligated to show first is low. [/ QUOTE ]No its not low. Go to any cardroom and its a very common procedure that when a guy thinks hes beat he'll just say "I think you have it" and the other guy will show and then he'll muck.
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#40
02-06-2007, 03:57 AM
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Re: jaime gold = spew
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But that is not what Gold did. Gold whould hold his hand until the player that called would show his hand. As I stated, I would have no problem if Gold had in fact mucked his hand and player B (the Caller) then showed his hand to take down the pot. Three Beers [/ QUOTE ]seriously, not trying to be offensive, but I must ask the same question that someone else asked you: Have you ever played live before? If so, how much?
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