Interesting Washington Post Article About NETELLER

[anchorbanker71]

I don't like the whole "I'm sure they will get their money back" line either.

It kinda sounds like your wife/girlfriend saying, "I'm sure the baby is yours." That's when it's time to call the Maury Povich show.

[joe c]

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Only one small difference...

Using drugs is illegal. Playing online poker isn't.

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According to you. Not according to the DOJ.

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The DOJ has never said that playing online poker is illegal.

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why are people are so convinced of this? the DOJ obviously thinks online poker is illegal. even the article this thread is about suggests so.

[AverageJoe]

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"I'm sure they will get their money back. You've got to give Neteller a bit of space."


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Would 8x10 feet be a large enough bit?

[gone.flying]

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"I'm sure they will get their money back. You've got to give Neteller a bit of space."


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Would 8x10 feet be a large enough bit?

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6 feet by 2 feet by 18 inches fully enclosed in pine with luxury upholstery might be better

[HeavilyArmed]

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If that's the holdup, we are on much safer footing than we were a week ago IMO.

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... and then I woke up.

[gone.flying]

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Yea. I think that's the first quote I've ever seen from a NETELLER spokesperson.

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obviously a talented schmutter merchant:
'Britain has become a combination of a giant golf course and a giant call centre.'
George Cazenove, owner of the eccentric second hand clothing shop Bertie Wooster, regrets being forced out of business.

This same George Cazenove is also the 'spokesman' for Dragon Oil, http://www.dragonoil.com/media.htm

and Deutsche Land PLC
http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail%3Fcode%3DcotnLD.L&it%3Dle

And Sterling Energy PLC, and NIKANOR, etc etc

George works for (is associate director) for company called Citigate Drew Rogerson, 3 London Wall Buildings, London EC2M 5SY

Wanna Speak to George directly?
Tel: 020 7638 9571
Email: [email protected]

[Skallagrim]

Online Poker is pretty much for certain NOT illegal in ALL US states - the old DOJ position that the Wire Act covered ALL types of gaming was lost in 2 seperate US Courts of Appeal - in all the recent DOJ actions the underlying crime alleged to have been committed was sports betting (a clear violation of the Wire Act), not even casino betting, much less poker. And it does make a difference - but I am too tired to repeat the analysis here, there are plenty of threads in this forum making it plain. In sum, as an attorney, I will tell you that playing poker online is NOT a crime IN AT LEAST SOME STATES. If the DOJ were to take money from folks in those states, it would be the DOJ who is violating the law. The problem for Neteller is that they clearly did knowingly send money to sportsbetting sites and thus clearly assisted violating the wire act with THOSE transfers.

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It appears the DOJ wants to confiscate all U.S. based money in Neteller to finance their war on internet gambling.

This will be +EV for them and help finance the spread of Democracy to various non-evangelical countries around the world.

It's a win win for the U.S. Govt.

[JPFisher55]

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Online Poker is pretty much for certain NOT illegal in ALL US states - the old DOJ position that the Wire Act covered ALL types of gaming was lost in 2 seperate US Courts of Appeal - in all the recent DOJ actions the underlying crime alleged to have been committed was sports betting (a clear violation of the Wire Act), not even casino betting, much less poker. And it does make a difference - but I am too tired to repeat the analysis here, there are plenty of threads in this forum making it plain. In sum, as an attorney, I will tell you that playing poker online is NOT a crime IN AT LEAST SOME STATES. If the DOJ were to take money from folks in those states, it would be the DOJ who is violating the law. The problem for Neteller is that they clearly did knowingly send money to sportsbetting sites and thus clearly assisted violating the wire act with THOSE transfers.

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Actually, Neteller clients transfered money to sportsbetting sites. Neteller did not know which clients were going to do so. Neteller made one method of depositing money with sports betting sites. But paper checks were another method. Neteller clients did not violate the Wire Act by placing sports bets. So how is their money involved in an illegal act. I don't think that Neteller ever touched any assets belonging to a sports betting site. Thus, IMO, form what I know about the facts set forth in the complaint, the case against the Neteller founders is problematic at best under the Wire Act; but big in its impact on the internet gambling industry.

[Mendacious]

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Only one small difference...

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According to you. Not according to the DOJ.


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The DOJ has never said that playing online poker is illegal.

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This would be relevant it Neteller only processed gambling transactions for poker, but it does a whole lot more processing than just poker-- some of which the DOJ expressly does consider illegal. In addition, most of the poker sites were also tied to sportsbook/casino sites. Neteller can very fairly claim not to know what to do with the money and request for guidance by the DOJ.

If you don't think that Neteller and the DOJ are jockeying for legal position with your (our) money as a bargaining chip you are not applying your common sense to everything you have heard.