It's about time we had this discussion

[jk3a]

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If I had to guess, I would say it most likely has a very small influence in either direction. Frankly, worrying about this or discussing doesn't do us much good unless some of the winning players are willing to compile enough real game statistics to prove this one way or another. Just my 2 cents.

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I disagree... You don't need a ton of stats. Preflop is just another street. If someone posts a hand and asks how much to bet on the turn of a particular, do you go to your stats to find the optimal bet? or do you use logic and reasoning to determine the correct bet? Preflop is no different.

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prove it

[BobAllinSki]

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Theoritically, I'd rather just raise more oop and less in position and not worry at all about my hand but rather my hand range

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opposite way round bro.

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This is a tricky one, even with just a couple of bets left been in position is a huge advantage and been out of position is a dissadvantage, raising more out of position is increasing the stakes when your at a dissadvantage and keeping them small when your have an advantage.

But on the flip side like other posters have mentioned the less streets of betting there is the less use you get to make use of positional advantage so if you can get a significant chunk of your stack in out of position it might be better, but the deeper the money the more you want to keep the pot small when out of position, this is probably part of the reason why a limp-re-raise can be quiet effective out off position with hands such as aces, even if you dont get it all in you can often end up with just 1 street of play oop where a simple raise would leave you with several streets of play at a significant dissadvantage.

[mikechops]

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I mix it up a little, too. it's also really dependent on stack sizes and villains.

if you know villains will cal 7BB w/ their marginal hands that makes more sense than raising to 4. And if we have 200BB stacks raising to 4BB w/ your AA is begging him to play 2 cards and stack us, IMO.

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Try not stacking of postflop with AA...(you know occasionally fold it)

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Go read the post about flaming. Seriously. I'm hurt and offended. I try to teach you how to be a better player and I'm mocked. Nice.

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That is a valid point succinctly put, not a flame. Or was I just leveled?

[Isura]

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Theoritically, I'd rather just raise more oop and less in position and not worry at all about my hand but rather my hand range

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opposite way round bro.

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[Thremp]

Isura,

I just had this discussion with a MSNL guy yesterday. He propounds that overpotting OOP and potting or slightly less IP when 3betting is the correct play. Thoughts? Play him HU fer rollz? LOLz?

Example: Button is insane and raising top 40% when folded to you. You are calling some, folding most, and reraising top 10% + 5% of your more speculative holdings. At a 100BB deep If he opens for 3.50 at NL100, what do you bomb it too and why?

[Vammakala]

I somewhat vary the bet sizes sometimes, but I do it more because of the situation than my hand. So if I want FE, I might raise more, if I know the table is full of loose callers, I'll probably raise more with hands like bigger pairs etc and a bit less with smaller pairs and vice versa, depending on how the game is going.

I think it can be a good tool as long as you don't do the same things with same hands every time, rather in the situations. Then again, I think what we're talking about here is changing our preflop bet sizes by a BB or two, sometimes a tad more, but I don't know if this has significant impact on the winrate.

[Casper05]

I'd rather play larger pots in position than OOP

[Thremp]

...which is why you raise more OOP and tighen up.

[Kilillan]

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I'd rather play larger pots in position than OOP

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again that's a concept that well misunderstood

you're trying to play many small pots in position, not out of position. You're trying to play big pots with the big hands, not with the best position.

OOP you want to eliminate the toll being OOP takes on you every round of betting. Therefore you want to play bigger pots to eliminate any sort of skill/trying to get the cards to run hot/cold

In position you want to take more flops to give yourself a chance to outplay the people and take advantage of the overwhelming advantage position is

holy crap my english is getting bad. I can't even word a paragraph correctly

[MyTurn2Raise]

hmmmm

I also raise less OOP and more from late position in just raised pots. In reraised pots, it is much different.