75 Spot vs. Paired Door Card

[Jeffage]

My open ender was completely live on 4th - it's possible the bring in was a deuce but I don't think it was.

Jeff

[*TT*]

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I don't think this hand is all about implied odds.
Jeff

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If you call your not getting the right odds to continue, your on a wing and a prayer while your opponent has a shown made hand. Therefore how can you not consider implied odds? The only odds you should be considering are what you may make later in the hand should you improve, and if the additional bets yo make are equal to the odds you need to improve. I think Ray Z nailed it in much fewer words than I did, but we are thinking the same. Even if you only make 2 pair rather than the straight you might be a dog to a bigger 2 pair, dump it.

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[MRBAA]

good laydown obviously. I think my plan against this opponent would probably be to call fourth and seriously consider raising fifth if he bricks and you catch 3, 6 or A. If you make your straight, I'd probably let him keep leading and wait to raise until the river.

Playing this hand strongly depends on two things: ALL your cards are live and there's virtually NO chance he has trips. Given those, you are only about a 1.5-1 dog to make your straight by river and you don't have to pay off if you don't.

[Andy B]

My reading of Ray's post suggests that Jeff play on.

[Ray Zee]

alright
if he has just kings you are around even money

if he has kings up around 3to2 dog

three kings alittle over two to one dog

you are getting about two to one odds for what you put in to see the river as opposed to what you figure to win if you hit your straight or trips which may or not be good.

plus you act last and may get to win an extra bet or possibly run him off if you pair your board

looks to me like you see the river card in this hand

am i missing something or are you guys?