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#31
12-27-2006, 05:14 PM
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Re: Never played Stars, just how good are FPPs?
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"You turn your dollar value, into dollars." Is this true? Or can you merely turn them into a bonus that still must be cleared with more points??? [/ QUOTE ] It's true. At the SuperNova level you can get $3,000 worth of gift cards to just about anywhere for 186,000 FPPs. When I make SN next year, I plan to ask for $1,000 gift cards to a couple of local supermarkets and to the local gas station. To me, and to most people, these are as good as cash. 
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#32
12-27-2006, 05:15 PM
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Re: Never played Stars, just how good are FPPs?
it is more then equivilent in my opinion... here are some things i have disucessed with the vip boys at PS...
Ok, u want to play the 500$ or the 1k tourny they run monthly quaterly... You can buy (2) 215$ tickets at 13k a piece 1.59c on the dollar, then if yer platnum or better u can use them and pay the difference with cash... theres one way of getting a return in cash... (if u plan on playing the big tournys anyhow....) 2) get 180k fpps, and they are worth 3grand.... you can get anything u want practically... If they cant get if for you, YOU buy it (credit card is fine), send them a statement and they credit yer account with cash. I recently talked to PSVIP peeps and they said they would be willing make accomidations to pay off my tuition debt of 5k for whatever the FPP conversion is."hence im buying an education" (probably around 325k)... this is good as cash for me.... (as id be paying the debt in cash anyhow, get liquid folks) Thirdly dont look at the cash u can buy in the stores for FPP thats a scam for dummies, not 2p2ers. There is way better ways to get equity out of yer FPPS.... this coupled with the reasons someone stated before make stars a win-win situation. The game selection aside they RB is very "equivalent" to RB. think outside the box.
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#33
12-27-2006, 05:42 PM
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Re: Never played Stars, just how good are FPPs?
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Not to mention, the bonuses are so small in comparison to the bonuses, even if you wanted to quit playing poker, you would still not care about taking a couple of extra days to clear your last bonus. [/ QUOTE ] 8th level
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#34
12-27-2006, 07:17 PM
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Re: Never played Stars, just how good are FPPs?
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2) get 180k fpps, and they are worth 3grand.... you can get anything u want practically... If they cant get if for you, YOU buy it (credit card is fine), send them a statement and they credit yer account with cash. I recently talked to PSVIP peeps and they said they would be willing make accomidations to pay off my tuition debt of 5k for whatever the FPP conversion is."hence im buying an education" (probably around 325k)... this is good as cash for me.... (as id be paying the debt in cash anyhow, get liquid folks) Thirdly dont look at the cash u can buy in the stores for FPP thats a scam for dummies, not 2p2ers. There is way better ways to get equity out of yer FPPS.... [/ QUOTE ] The problem for me, with getting a worse return on straight cash (or bonii) than on a gift card is that I don't treat my poker money as fungible with my non-poker money. So I don't want to have to go shopping around for ways to spend my rewards to get a better return than I can get for straight up money (or bonii). Ordinarily what you say is true, if you get a gift card for something you would buy anyway, well money is money is money. Its all fungible. But in my case, since I strictly separate my poker bankroll from my "real" money, my bankroll and outside money are not interchangeable. So I want my poker rewards to go into my bankroll not into my spending money. To get the effect that you're talking about, the way I treat my money, I'd have to take an additional step of, everytime I spent say 150 bucks from my gift card on groceries, I'd have to transfer 150 bucks from my checking to my bankroll. That's a hassle I'd just as soon not go through. Plus, at a certain point, I'm just not buying that many groceries or gas. And I'm not big on planning my discretionary spending. Altough I frequently buy books at barnes and nobles or wherever, I have an amazon gift card that I've had for about 13 months now, and not used. --Zetack
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#35
12-27-2006, 07:42 PM
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Re: Never played Stars, just how good are FPPs?
The only main negative to the Stars system is that it somewhat
enslaves you to them. I.E. You win $50,000 and decide your going to play poker for a living online at 100NL 6Max. If you sign up at FTP you get a $600 deposit bonus and you immediatly start earning 27% rakeback, minus fees, on the rake you pay. At Stars you sign up and I believe get a 100% deposit bonus. You earn FPP but not until say 2-3 months later do u earn the higher percentage of rakeback as a Supernova. If you can't multi table then it may take longer Also...say you decide to take a 3 month vacation free of poker. You come back to FTP and immediatly get you 27% rakeback starting from day 1. Stars you start the process all over again. If Stars removed the $$ bonuses you could buy with FPP then I'd say Stars would drop more because there is a big difference between getting cash in your account and having to sell [censored] you got for free on ebay.
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#37
12-27-2006, 08:19 PM
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Re: Never played Stars, just how good are FPPs?
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lol at "RB Equivalent" theory ...Someone change my mind. [/ QUOTE ] I will try. Let's assume you are a supernova; 1) You collect 100,000 FPPs (likely have it already) 2) You go to the VIP store and buy a $1,500 bonus by two clicks in exchange to your 100,000 FPPs (note - no need for affiliates) 3) You continue to play and collect 10,500 VPPs within next 90 days. As you are Supernova it shouldn't take you more than a week or so. 4) You are automatically credited with $1,500. Nothing is deducted - bonuses, freerolls, fees, none. The FPPs you collected to clear $1,500 are still yours and can be used to purchase the next bonus. So it didn't cost you anything beyond the original 100,000 FPPs. Is that clear? Now can you explain how is that worse than any other rakeback variant?
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#38
12-27-2006, 08:26 PM
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Re: Never played Stars, just how good are FPPs?
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[ QUOTE ] lol at "RB Equivalent" theory ...Someone change my mind. [/ QUOTE ] I will try. Let's assume you are a supernova; 1) You collect 100,000 FPPs (likely have it already) 2) You go to the VIP store and buy a $1,500 bonus by two clicks in exchange to your 100,000 FPPs (note - no need for affiliates) 3) You continue to play and collect 10,500 VPPs within next 90 days. As you are Supernova it shouldn't take you more than a week or so. 4) You are automatically credited with $1,500. Nothing is deducted - bonuses, freerolls, fees, none. The FPPs you collected to clear $1,500 are still yours and can be used to purchase the next bonus. So it didn't cost you anything beyond the original 100,000 FPPs. Is that clear? Now can you explain how is that worse than any other rakeback variant? [/ QUOTE ] You have to be supernova. Thread over.
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#40
12-27-2006, 08:48 PM
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Re: Never played Stars, just how good are FPPs?
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You have to be supernova. Thread over. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe for you, but not for OP and anybody else who plays a lot of hands. Also exactly the same process is for Gold and Platinum just their numbers are worse.
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