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#31
10-24-2006, 12:33 PM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
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Another example of a clueless floorman. .... You showed your cards and he mucked. You win. End of story. [/ QUOTE ] In the floor's defense, if you re-read the OP, it is clear that nobody mentioned that the A7 had been tabled before the other player mucked when he made his first decision. When that was added to the facts, he reversed himself. 
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#33
10-24-2006, 01:43 PM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
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[ QUOTE ] Another example of a clueless floorman. .... You showed your cards and he mucked. You win. End of story. [/ QUOTE ] In the floor's defense, if you re-read the OP, it is clear that nobody mentioned that the A7 had been tabled before the other player mucked when he made his first decision. When that was added to the facts, he reversed himself. [/ QUOTE ] This floorman got it exactly right, this shows why it is important to get an acurate picture of what happened. Unfortunately, dealers are often bad at giving a description of what happened.
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#34
10-24-2006, 05:58 PM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
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[ QUOTE ] When a players says "you win" they are conseding the pot. The other player nows mucks his hand to make room fo rhte dealer to push him the pot. The is a related angle shot that I don't like at all, a player says you win, so his opponent turbo mucks to get his hand in the muck. [/ QUOTE ] I hate having to waste 5 to 10 minutes out of every hour at the table waiting for people to show their hands. The stupid post-action posturing is often out of control. ("What do you have? Can you beat a pair?" Or the guy who got called waiting to see if the other guy will show first. And so on). Call me an angle shooter, but I would happily pull that second stunt you mentioned, if it ever came up, because I'm sure it really would teach people a lesson -- when you've been called, cut the crap and turn your cards over (or it could even cost you the pot). [/ QUOTE ] If it is checked around on the river and I have a marginal hand and I am not the first to show, I will often announce my hand -- "pair of tens" or "Ace high" or whatever. If no one immediately shows their hand after saying this, I table my hand, even if it is out of order. Yeah, I could be giving out information, but about 80% of the time I am good. I would rather keep the game moving (and I don't mind embarrassing the other folks that should have folded in one of the subsequent betting rounds). You should never say "you win" or "your good" until after you see the other player's hand.
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#35
10-24-2006, 10:41 PM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
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If it is checked around on the river and I have a marginal hand and I am not the first to show, I will often announce my hand -- "pair of tens" or "Ace high" or whatever. If no one immediately shows their hand after saying this, I table my hand, even if it is out of order. Yeah, I could be giving out information, but about 80% of the time I am good. I would rather keep the game moving (and I don't mind embarrassing the other folks that should have folded in one of the subsequent betting rounds). You should never say "you win" or "your good" until after you see the other player's hand. [/ QUOTE ] Except for the parenthetical expression at the end of the first paragraph (which I think may not be what you intended to say) your way of showing down is perfect. ~ Rick
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#36
10-25-2006, 03:40 AM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
In my experience, saying "you win" but not instantly mucking is always a weakish hand that doesn't want to show first, but has some small chance to win. It never really means I concede the pot and usually the angle is only to get info in an obnoxious fashion. FWIW, I'm pretty sure almost anyone except the very newest of comers knows this. I don't think it needs to be a rule because it will do more harm than good.
It is often a prick move though designed to obtain information without necessarily having to give t away. I've done it several times but always stated my hand immediately afterward as PJ did (and I now regret each and every time).
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#37
10-25-2006, 01:58 PM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
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[ QUOTE ] If it is checked around on the river and I have a marginal hand and I am not the first to show, I will often announce my hand -- "pair of tens" or "Ace high" or whatever. If no one immediately shows their hand after saying this, I table my hand, even if it is out of order. Yeah, I could be giving out information, but about 80% of the time I am good. I would rather keep the game moving (and I don't mind embarrassing the other folks that should have folded in one of the subsequent betting rounds). You should never say "you win" or "your good" until after you see the other player's hand. [/ QUOTE ] Except for the parenthetical expression at the end of the first paragraph (which I think may not be what you intended to say) your way of showing down is perfect. [/ QUOTE ] After rereading the post, I am not quite sure what I meant by the paranthetical either [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] ... the hazards of posting while trying to do three other things at the same time.
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