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Old 09-22-2006, 12:50 AM
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J, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Degen he cant fold TPTK or better because of the potsize. And nobody ever fold here JT! This is impossible. Do you really think somebody could fold top 2 pair or overpair here?

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No way he is folding top 2 but QQ and KK is a hard call. He probably doesn't fold AA.
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Old 09-22-2006, 12:53 AM
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Old 09-22-2006, 12:54 AM
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J, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Degen he cant fold TPTK or better because of the potsize. And nobody ever fold here JT! This is impossible. Do you really think somebody could fold top 2 pair or overpair here?

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No way he is folding top 2 but QQ and KK is a hard call. He probably doesn't fold AA.

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How are AJ, QQ, KK and AA any different here?

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if he flatcalled QQ it matters.
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Old 09-22-2006, 12:55 AM
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J, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Degen he cant fold TPTK or better because of the potsize. And nobody ever fold here JT! This is impossible. Do you really think somebody could fold top 2 pair or overpair here?

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No way he is folding top 2 but QQ and KK is a hard call. He probably doesn't fold AA.

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How are AJ, QQ, KK and AA any different here?

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Well if he got AA he's ahead of QQ & KK which I guess he could put you on.
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Old 09-22-2006, 12:57 AM
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Old 09-22-2006, 12:58 AM
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J, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Degen he cant fold TPTK or better because of the potsize. And nobody ever fold here JT! This is impossible. Do you really think somebody could fold top 2 pair or overpair here?

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No way he is folding top 2 but QQ and KK is a hard call. He probably doesn't fold AA.

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How are AJ, QQ, KK and AA any different here?

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Well if he got AA he's ahead of QQ & KK which I guess he could put you on.

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Pretty odd line for QQ and KK dontcha think? Most players (me included) would likely raise that flop w/ such holdings.

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Most players would raise a set also...
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Old 09-22-2006, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: 530 Floating a Mid Pair

Well Degen, I don't know what I can add, other than a little commentary.

Obviously this all depends on reads. At the levels, most of us play, this would be sucide against a solid regular. I could be pretty sure solid regular is only calling with TT+, AK here or some range very close to that. However, he is probably reraising QQ+, so it more like TT,JJ, AK. So, betting wouldn't accomplish anything other than getting AK to fold. There could be an argument for calling down here with 66.

That being said. How much does it differ at a $530? Is a solid regular much different? Ie, do they know you are capable of moves and be calling with a much larger range here? I still can beleive he's calling real wide, cause he's OOP which obviously means a lot when you are calling thin against an opponent who can be raising thin.

So, if you could clarify what a solid regular at the $530s is, and how that differs to say a $55/109 regular, that would be very helpful to me for various reasons.

I do agree that you have played this hand with a very strong line. You are telling your opponent that you have top pair beat here. This could be QQ+ or a set, so you are getting a lot of lay downs from a strong opponent here (if they were calling thin).

But my question still remains, how much different is he from a mid level regular?
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:00 AM
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You are biased because you can see my hand. Put yourself in his shoes. What would you put me on?

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Do you really think somebody can fold JT because he puts you on the only 2 remaining jacks or tens? Or that you raised with 33 or 55 and hit your set?

I just have to pay 1100 more into a monsterpot with top 2 pair but he hit his set so I have to fold...
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:04 AM
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J, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Degen he cant fold TPTK or better because of the potsize. And nobody ever fold here JT! This is impossible. Do you really think somebody could fold top 2 pair or overpair here?

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No way he is folding top 2 but QQ and KK is a hard call. He probably doesn't fold AA.

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How are AJ, QQ, KK and AA any different here?

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Well if he got AA he's ahead of QQ & KK which I guess he could put you on.

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Pretty odd line for QQ and KK dontcha think? Most players (me included) would likely raise that flop w/ such holdings.

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Yeah sure but most players also fold their 66 after this flop action. While it's unusual it's far from impossible and I think he definately got these hands in your range. He might fold QQ pretty fast but AA isn't as easy.
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