check the flop, call down. - Page 4

rory · #31 09-22-2006, 01:41 PM

raise the river sir ty

Trix · #32 09-22-2006, 02:15 PM

The river is an easy raise, I dont see how you can rule out any made hand that doesn´t beat you. He probably puts you on 77 or something like that when you call the turn, so when you raise the river he will often call out of confusion. Heck, he probably sometimes tiltcall the 54 he held if you give him the chance of making the mistake.

The Bryce · #33 09-22-2006, 02:24 PM

Checking the flop is ok, I think, depends on what I want to do later in the hand (equity is low and you'll basically never win for 1 bet on that flop, especially with the calling station in there, a K8X flop would be different).

So my guess is that on the turn you start off all "Bingo Bango" and such but the LAGtard bets into you and you're like "what the hell, that should be a scary card for that dude!". If this what a nitty guy you'd probably be correct to just call down, but the people I think about when I think "aggro LAGtard" have no fear of sticking money in with the worst of it, they fear missing value with the best of it. So this could easily just be a naked ace. Without spiking your kicker it might have been pretty close, but even though I think it's closer than most people seem to think I would also pop it on the end.

gopnik · #34 09-22-2006, 02:39 PM

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UTG is a LAGtard, very aggressive pre and post flop, the BB is super passive call station.

30/60 Hold'em (5 handed)

Preflop: Joe Tall is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, Joe Tall 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Joe Tall checks.

Turn: (4.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Joe Tall calls, BB folds.

River: (6.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Joe Tall calls.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

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I don't understand not raising the river. And I don't see a problem with raising the turn so BB could pay twice for this 4-5 outer draw.

BradL · #35 09-22-2006, 02:47 PM

like others have said i would raise the river even without hitting the Q, having hit it its criminal not to raise.

-Brad

The DaveR · #36 09-25-2006, 01:52 AM

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like others have said i would raise the river even without hitting the Q, having hit it its criminal not to raise.

-Brad

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Yeah. With the action up to the turn, you have JJ/TT and LAGTards are suspicious enough to call a river raise with any hand that beats them.

Joe Tall · #37 09-29-2006, 04:48 PM

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I don't get this. What hand were you putting him on that beats you? why can't he have a worse 2 pair? Or just an ace?

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My read was a bluff that is folding and I wanted to inflict some showdown-shame or specifically AK. The river is a raise, yes. I would like to see you comments about the flop.

Joe Tall · #38 09-29-2006, 04:53 PM

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raise the river sir ty

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No, no, no....you aren't turning into one of those lamo-troll-fyp-votey-posters that killed twoplustwo, add some substance!

duckman · #39 09-29-2006, 06:12 PM

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raise the river sir ty

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No, no, no....you aren't turning into one of those lamo-troll-fyp-votey-posters that killed twoplustwo, add some substance!

[/ QUOTE ] You are ahead of 2/3 of his betting range so raise and call 1 back b/c he is a lagtard

rory · #40 09-30-2006, 01:58 PM

I tried to come up with something more in depth but all I can really think to say is RAISE THE RIVER TY PLZ.

I bet he would have paid you off with 54 too.