Potential NL forum split: Speak up

[kokiri]

I think it's a bad idea.

SSNL is all about learning the basics of NL and hand reading, rather than the absolute levels of the blinds. Maybe the range we put villains on changes somewhat as we move up the levels, but also it does depending on whether villain is solid, wild, a fish etc., so whilst the analysis might change a bit, the nature of the questions and thought processes within the SSNL forum are similar across the majority of the questions- what does he have, how do i best play against that?

Contrast that with MSNL where this is more of a given, and the analysis seems to be more about when and where to make moves, good times for bluffing etc. I don't see that a split in SSNL would really give rise to 2 forums with different content, so I don't see the need.

[tubasteve]

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I think it's a bad idea.

SSNL is all about learning the basics of NL and hand reading, rather than the absolute levels of the blinds. Maybe the range we put villains on changes somewhat as we move up the levels, but also it does depending on whether villain is solid, wild, a fish etc., so whilst the analysis might change a bit, the nature of the questions and thought processes within the SSNL forum are similar across the majority of the questions- what does he have, how do i best play against that?

Contrast that with MSNL where this is more of a given, and the analysis seems to be more about when and where to make moves, good times for bluffing etc. I don't see that a split in SSNL would really give rise to 2 forums with different content, so I don't see the need.

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Bro, NL25 and lower is NOT about hand reading, at least not compared to NL50 and up. How are you supposed to read hands when half the players are 40/5/.5?

[lazeeesunday]

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Bro, NL25 and lower is NOT about hand reading, at least not compared to NL50 and up. How are you supposed to read hands when half the players are 40/5/.5?

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40/5/.5! That's tight agressive for these guys! But you see his point...

[2Paul2]

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I think it's a bad idea.

SSNL is all about learning the basics of NL and hand reading, rather than the absolute levels of the blinds. Maybe the range we put villains on changes somewhat as we move up the levels, but also it does depending on whether villain is solid, wild, a fish etc., so whilst the analysis might change a bit, the nature of the questions and thought processes within the SSNL forum are similar across the majority of the questions- what does he have, how do i best play against that?

Contrast that with MSNL where this is more of a given, and the analysis seems to be more about when and where to make moves, good times for bluffing etc. I don't see that a split in SSNL would really give rise to 2 forums with different content, so I don't see the need.

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Bro, NL25 and lower is NOT about hand reading, at least not compared to NL50 and up. How are you supposed to read hands when half the players are 40/5/.5?

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You've now managed to sound like a dick in both threads and your wrong. Why can't you learn to read hands at 25nl? Imo it plays incredibly similar to 100nl. Just a bit less aggression and a few more dumb calls.

Anyways I've always thought 200nl is small stakes and thus always posted my hands here and agree fully w/the split. I'm also sure the 100/200nl guys will pop into the micro forum a fair bit.

Paul

[tubasteve]

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I think it's a bad idea.

SSNL is all about learning the basics of NL and hand reading, rather than the absolute levels of the blinds. Maybe the range we put villains on changes somewhat as we move up the levels, but also it does depending on whether villain is solid, wild, a fish etc., so whilst the analysis might change a bit, the nature of the questions and thought processes within the SSNL forum are similar across the majority of the questions- what does he have, how do i best play against that?

Contrast that with MSNL where this is more of a given, and the analysis seems to be more about when and where to make moves, good times for bluffing etc. I don't see that a split in SSNL would really give rise to 2 forums with different content, so I don't see the need.

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Bro, NL25 and lower is NOT about hand reading, at least not compared to NL50 and up. How are you supposed to read hands when half the players are 40/5/.5?

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You've now managed to sound like a dick in both threads and your wrong. Why can't you learn to read hands at 25nl? Imo it plays incredibly similar to 100nl. Just a bit less aggression and a few more dumb calls.

Anyways I've always thought 200nl is small stakes and thus always posted my hands here and agree fully w/the split. I'm also sure the 100/200nl guys will pop into the micro forum a fair bit.

Paul

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In almost every NL25 thread I look at, the biggest mistakes I see are the bet sizing, misplaying draws, and passive play. I apologize if I look like a dick, I just meant to say that from my experience, most budding NL25 players have a lot bigger leaks in their game than reading their opponents hands.

[kokiri]

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Bro, NL25 and lower is NOT about hand reading, at least not compared to NL50 and up. How are you supposed to read hands when half the players are 40/5/.5?

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meh, so it's level 0.5 rather than level 1 thinking, i still don't think there's a big difference in the type of discussion that would be had in 2 separate forums.

If the interesting debate comes mainly from higher limit hands atm, that's more a function of the more experienced posters (i.e. the ones who are better at recognising debate-worthy hands and who are more widely known and hence have a certain badge of quality to their threads) playing towards the higher levels.

[jjigglers]

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I think it's a bad idea.

SSNL is all about learning the basics of NL and hand reading, rather than the absolute levels of the blinds. Maybe the range we put villains on changes somewhat as we move up the levels, but also it does depending on whether villain is solid, wild, a fish etc., so whilst the analysis might change a bit, the nature of the questions and thought processes within the SSNL forum are similar across the majority of the questions- what does he have, how do i best play against that?

Contrast that with MSNL where this is more of a given, and the analysis seems to be more about when and where to make moves, good times for bluffing etc. I don't see that a split in SSNL would really give rise to 2 forums with different content, so I don't see the need.

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Here's a MSNLer's (and sometimes SSNLer) point of view regarding your post:

If your idea could somehow be a reality, and the posts be separated by the level of complicated nature of the hands, nobody would be considering this split. However, in MSNL, there's a huge influx of 200NL posts that are very standard and that many of the regulars who play higher than that regard as clutter.

Some suggested 200NL be SSNL only, but this would not be fair to the already overcrowded SSNL, so a compromise (a 4th forum) was introduced.

[HitNRunPoster]

lol am I going to have to move to the 50 game to get good responses to my hands? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I proposed this a nano forum a few days ago, and someone said that there wouldn't be traffic in a nano forum. This kinda makes sense.

I'd kinda prefer to keep everything 0.5/1 and under in this forum, but meh, whatever you guys think is reasonable.

[KindaMoney]

There is nothing to stop people playing 25nl or 50nl reading or participating in discussion in this proposed new small stakes forum is there?

[Tickner]

Meh, I am indifferent on the matter.