*Official* HSP 8/14

[LasVegasMichael]

Great episode.

I have no problem with Eli. Don't understand why people tag on him so much here. Antonio, on the other hand, I am rooting for a big ass bust like last season.

Gus's check on the river was uber impressive. Helluva hand.

Damn, I love this show. Already looking forward to next season, and this one isn't even over yet.

[SenorBeef]

To say it's an "easy fold" is either some ridiculously tight-weak poker, or ego-driven results-based thinking.

Daniel was trying to represent an overpair - everything he did in the hand was consistent with that. If he did think that he (Daniel) successfully planted the idea in Hansen's mind, then he would expect Hansen to be very aggressive with a wide range of hands. If he has nothing, he might be able to scare off Daniel's overpair on the kind of board that hits the sort of hands Gus will play. If he has a strong, but second best hand like 59, then he'll try to get value against an overpair.

Either way, the way Daniel acted throughout the hand was designed to encourage action - and so when he actually gets action, he's not going to take it as a conclusive sign that he's beat. Both of them know Gus' image, and Daniel could've made Gus think that Daniel thought he was calling off a bluff raise and bet on the turn with a medium strength hand like an overpair. And if Daniel thinks that's what Gus is thinking, then Daniel's actions are a natural conclusion to that, based on what Daniel thinks Gus is thinking.

You say Gus couldn't have played that way without a hand that beat Daniel, but that's nonsense. Gus certainly doesn't come from that weak-tight camp, so you can't base Daniel's analysis of his action based on that. Gus could've had a range of hands there that Daniel beat, and Daniel is getting like 2:1 on it. Still, it's not like Daniel is pot-committed at that point, so a bluff is still a viable option.

It's easy to tell yourself you'd have made the right decision when you have all the information, but if they didn't show Gus' cards, are you really saying "easy fold" before showdown?

I bet if Gus had 59 no one would be criticizing Daniel's decisions - yet they would be the exact same decisions based on the same information.

[Dominic]

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okay, I'll be the first idiot to say it:

easy laydown with the 4th nuts.

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I don't know if you are joking, but against anyone else (with similar stack sizes) I think Daniel makes this laydown pretty easily. If Antonio did this, Daniel's cards would be insta-mucked. Is Gus really that much of a donkey to play 95, 85, 75, 65 this way? Probably, which is what made Daniel call. I can't imagine this being a bluff ever - not with how the turn action went. Still, what is 95 and 85 value-betting against here - AA? A one-card straight? I don't know how Hansen plays in cash games but if he plays even relatively decent, Negreanu could've thought about it for a long time and folded - I think he just 'had to see' in this instance.

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i'm only sorta joking...you reasoned it out pretty well..."had to see" for $176,000? Nah. I'm folding. No way Gus is raising anything other than a hand that can beat Daniel here. 85,57...he calls the river, he doesn't raise with it.

But then, I'm breaking even at $1/$2 NL, so WTF do I know?

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if you were in DN's spot, would you assume that Gus would C/R the river with 99 or 55 or 88? What hands would Gus have to put Daniel on to assume that would work?

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well see, I saw Gus's hole cards on that lil camera they put in the table, so I knew it was an easy laydown. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[tpir]

I mentioned this in another thread.... but I just wanted to reiterate it here:

Dear HSP Producers, please uninvite Zeidman and Fillipi for next season. It's kind of fun watching Zeidman play like a huge p**sy and lose money but I think you could find someone who does it in a more entertaining fashion.

[splashthepot]

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GOOD LORD!!
Hansen with the one-outer! Huge pot!! DN lost some serious coin on that one!!! Pretty surreal to watch what amounts to several of my mortgages being won in one hand by Gus there. Sick.

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Sorry about the sidebar here, but how much is Gus supposed to tip the dealer? A dime? 5 dimes?

[Daniel Magix]

Is anyone else getting sick of hearing Antonio's “wheeeeeeeeee!!” all the time?

[Chino987]

easy fold? please. what is gus putting daniel on? what is daniel putting gus on? remember daniel 3 bet preflop. remember daniel did not raise the turn. why would gus check the river if he puts daniel on an overpair?

[leech]

Excellent analysis, SenorBeef. Daniel's decision was a lot more complicated because of who he was up against and what hands Daniel was representing. Just a sick hand that was well played by both players.

[Phntm]

Well, two little things, has Eli ever met a flush draw he didn't Love? DId anyone notice the grinder sitting beside Annon for a hand or two (in Barry's seat I believe) I was wondering if it was bad editing because Barry was back in his seat later in the episode, or maybe he sat in for Barry during a bathroom break, etc etc??

[trying2learn]

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Well, two little things, has Eli ever met a flush draw he didn't Love? DId anyone notice the grinder sitting beside Annon for a hand or two (in Barry's seat I believe) I was wondering if it was bad editing because Barry was back in his seat later in the episode, or maybe he sat in for Barry during a bathroom break, etc etc??

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he was sitting in Barry's chair for a closer view/to talk to the guys - he wasn't playing. i was there for about 4 hours of taping this day, and it was kinda cool how the producers were encouraging the different players who were railing to go and socialize with the table. it just makes for a little more interest to see random players crusining around in the background.