A bluff 400NL - Page 4

MDMA · #31 07-18-2006, 11:32 PM

I seldom get annoyed on these forums (I mean, they are after all, just internet forums and I expect a lot of [censored] coming from them), but you are SERIOUSLY the most ignorant bitch I've ever seen here. You haven't got the slightest idea of the mechanics behind the game, and your post with that ridiculous dinner-thing shows this.

A clown with no poker knowledge whatsoever comes in here and tries to hand me my ass on a plate without realizing how [censored] stupid he looks with his piece-of-[censored] posts.

Jesus, you really pissed me off, congratulations.

MDMA · #32 07-18-2006, 11:36 PM

Actually, that part about getting him to fold right now and not worrying about anything else/balancing/credibility etc was me explaining how MoronBelt reasoned; I'm of the opposite view.

Either way, thanks for the kind words.

TheWorstPlayer · #33 07-18-2006, 11:37 PM

Sorry but this hand is terrible. Bet 150 or c/f. He's not folding anything you want him to fold for 300 that he wouldnt fold for 150. He won't fold enough for 300 to be +EV. Maaaybe he'll have a draw here enough to make 150 +EV though.

Edit: Now that I've read the thread, I agree with MDMA in theory. But after seeing enough people call a push on the river here with ace high, let alone a pair, I just don't think these moves are good OOP. He can easily be smooth calling a strong hand (or a weak hand) and just decide to call the rest off on the river. The players are just too bad to make these moves.

ArturiusX · #34 07-18-2006, 11:45 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Does anyone else not really like the turn bet? Tight-passive-man just called a 2/3 pot flop bet not closing the action...things are going to get real ugly, real fast for us on the turn all the times he doesn't have another flush draw, no?

Surf

[/ QUOTE ]

Its either a check-fold or bet, I dont like a check-call.

Surf · #35 07-19-2006, 12:35 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Does anyone else not really like the turn bet? Tight-passive-man just called a 2/3 pot flop bet not closing the action...things are going to get real ugly, real fast for us on the turn all the times he doesn't have another flush draw, no?

Surf

[/ QUOTE ]

Its either a check-fold or bet, I dont like a check-call.

[/ QUOTE ]

Obv, it just seems that betting this particular turn against this opponent doesn't have much going for it..

Surf

FeltBelt · #36 07-19-2006, 12:51 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I seldom get annoyed on these forums (I mean, they are after all, just internet forums and I expect a lot of [censored] coming from them), but you are SERIOUSLY the most ignorant bitch I've ever seen here. You haven't got the slightest idea of the mechanics behind the game, and your post with that ridiculous dinner-thing shows this.

A clown with no poker knowledge whatsoever comes in here and tries to hand me my ass on a plate without realizing how [censored] stupid he looks with his piece-of-[censored] posts.

Jesus, you really pissed me off, congratulations.

[/ QUOTE ]

You need to relax, get some friends (if you can), and realize that people who disagree with you can still have some knowledge of the game.

You ignored the villian in this hand and your advice is based on playing against a "typical"-type player. Your responses haven't explained much, and you still haven't answered what this player would do in this spot that justifies the all in instead of the $150. That's just poor poker and poor advice.

Isura · #37 07-19-2006, 01:33 AM

mdma,

Thanks for the posts, and your ideas is something that I'm working hard to incorporate into my game. My OP was pretty short-sighted, but I was just speaking from my experience at 1/2-2/4 where people just don't fold, and most hands seem to be more profitably when played in a vaccuum. I'm not saying that your ideas don't apply to these games, just that I have no experience trying to apply them correctly. FWIW my reasoning was that $120 gets a lot of pair+draw/A-high flush hands to fold and $300 gets called almost as often as $200 does against an unknown.

Isura · #38 07-19-2006, 01:34 AM

Felt,

You really need to cool it man. MDMA is a top notch poster, and he's one of the few top players that take the time to give deep analysis and help new players out.

FeltBelt · #39 07-19-2006, 01:40 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Felt,

You really need to cool it man. MDMA is a top notch poster, and he's one of the few top players that take the time to give deep analysis and help new players out.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I'm the one that needs to cool it. Lol.

ArturiusX · #40 07-19-2006, 01:52 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Felt,

You really need to cool it man. MDMA is a top notch poster, and he's one of the few top players that take the time to give deep analysis and help new players out.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I'm the one that needs to cool it. Lol.

[/ QUOTE ]

You lost it here:

[ QUOTE ]
I do appreciate the condescending post though. It reminds me why I like busting people who bluff $300 on the river in this spot when $150 would have gotten a fold from me if I was going to fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

Poker tough guy ahead folks!