Gay marriages... dictated by religious authorities

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I was wondering if you could go a little more indepth on this please. I am always confused by the comparison to polygamy and beastiality. Especially when the issue of marriage is brought up when two adults of the same sex want to get together for a monogomous relationship. I have trouble seeing what's so wrong with these relationships.

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It's a perversion of the natural state of affairs, and as such it weakens the social fabric in the same way polygamy and bestiality do. Consenting adults can of course do what they wish, but society needs to sets some standards on the degree of perversion it's willing to publicly acknowledge and embrace.

Social moral standards affects the development of children. For examples, adults are free to engage in heterosexual orgies, but it's harmful for children to learn about these at an early stage or think they're an acceptable behaviour. Teenagers coming of age are best served by seeking out monogamous, emotionally fulfilling relationships with members of the opposite sex. Decreeing other alternatives to be acceptable is bad for society and individuals in my opinion.

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And in the same way that anal sex, condoms, vibrators, internet porn, electricity, vaccines and GMOs do?

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It's a perversion of the natural state of affairs, and as such it weakens the social fabric in the same way polygamy and bestiality do. Consenting adults can of course do what they wish, but society needs to sets some standards on the degree of perversion it's willing to publicly acknowledge and embrace.

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C'mon Phil you're just making this up. There is no natural state of affair of which it's a perversion.

chez

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...My only point is that while atheists tend to be more liberal (blasé?) than theists, some of us have very similar morals and ideas about society for reasons not related to god or the bible. There are good secular arguments for most religious positions on social policy.

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I dont know how it is in america (I had assumed it was moreso than here) but many advocates of legislation like this in australia specifically argue from religious premises. Certainly, if there are secular reasons then they should be considered.

I was agreeing with what I had assumed midge was saying - namely that religious justification has no part in politics.

I'm interested you regard homosexuality as against nature, yet not institutionalised marriage itself. Are you sure that monogamy is the "natural" state of affairs? I confess ignorance, but I would have guessed that primitive humans wouldnt follow this practise (multiple partners is common enough in a society with entrenched monogamistic practises - I think it would be even greater without societal constraints).

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Practically all the impetus to the anti-gay marriage in the US comes from religious groups. Specifically it comes from Christian groups, although that is most likely simply a result of Christian groups being the more prominent and populous of the groups over here. Can't say as I've heard a lot from Jewish or Muslim groups speaking out against homosexuality, although I would imagine they probably? hold similar views.

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It's a perversion of the natural state of affairs, and as such it weakens the social fabric in the same way polygamy and bestiality do. Consenting adults can of course do what they wish, but society needs to sets some standards on the degree of perversion it's willing to publicly acknowledge and embrace.

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C'mon Phil you're just making this up. There is no natural state of affair of which it's a perversion.

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Especially in a modern society that has come almost the entire way down the road of completely divorcing sex from reproduction.

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It's a perversion of the natural state of affairs, and as such it weakens the social fabric in the same way polygamy and bestiality do.

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The only perversion is you calling it so. It is found in all cultures and in most species.

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Teenagers coming of age are best served by seeking out monogamous, emotionally fulfilling relationships with members of the opposite sex.

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Unless, of course, they happen to be gay.


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No. They simply need to prove that gay sham 'marriage' is benign to society instead of insisting that the straight community defend heterosexual marriage.

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The idea that gay couples have to somehow "prove" to the heteros that their marriage won't hurt them or society is ridiculous. How exactly are they supposed to do this? I suppose interracial couples should be forced to prove to all the racists in the world that their marriage will be benign as well?

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Why do you think it's okay to keep your child from being exposed to society? Guidance is one thing, but it seems that you want to brainwash him. No offense intended, I just don't understand why people think it is ethical to control their childrens' minds.

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It's a perversion of the natural state of affairs, and as such it weakens the social fabric in the same way polygamy and bestiality do.

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The only perversion is you calling it so. It is found in all cultures and in most species.

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So is polygamy, beastiality and sex with underage females. But society doesn't allow those.

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It's a perversion of the natural state of affairs, and as such it weakens the social fabric in the same way polygamy and bestiality do.

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The only perversion is you calling it so. It is found in all cultures and in most species.

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So is polygamy, beastiality and sex with underage females. But society doesn't allow those.

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You understand that just saying words doesnt demonstrate that your analogy is valid right?

"I think we should be able to watch TV past nine o'clock."

"No, thats too late, and really you should be sleeping so you can get to work tomorrow."

"Well sure, but I mean, people stay up late all the time, and they still manage to get to work, usually."

"Yeah, well people murder people all the time too, you don't think thats ok do you? Murderer."

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[Phil153]

Thank you for making my point. I'm trying to show that HIS comments are invalid. Just because all cultures and all species do something doesn't mean it's normal or desirable behaviour. Get it?

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