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#31
07-05-2006, 03:04 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
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[ QUOTE ] When a hand is tabled, it is everyone's or anyone's responsibility to make sure it is correctly read, [/ QUOTE ] This is correct. However it would be nice if the guy said something when he saw the dealer was going to muck the winning hand. Not after the chips are stacked and the dealer is shuffling the next hand. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] 
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#32
07-05-2006, 03:08 PM
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I think I'm the only one who agrees w/ the OP here. You got shafted. 1)Pot was already pushed with cards mucked. 2)Tell Seat 2 to STFU!?!?! One to a goddam hand. 3)The just thing to do WOULD be to send the full house his half the pot, but I say F him. He's playing in a $2k event and doesn't even know what's going on??? And again, Seat 2 is a real jerkoff. You don't open your mouth in a pot that doesn't involve you. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Hes playing in a WSOP event and can't even read the board? What happens if you say that there wasn't a FH on the board when the floor comes over?
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#33
07-05-2006, 03:11 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
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[ QUOTE ] I think I'm the only one who agrees w/ the OP here. You got shafted. 1)Pot was already pushed with cards mucked. 2)Tell Seat 2 to STFU!?!?! One to a goddam hand. 3)The just thing to do WOULD be to send the full house his half the pot, but I say F him. He's playing in a $2k event and doesn't even know what's going on??? And again, Seat 2 is a real jerkoff. You don't open your mouth in a pot that doesn't involve you. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly INCORRECT. When a hand is tabled, it is everyone's or anyone's responsibility to make sure it is correctly read, and this goes DOUBLE for a tournament. [/ QUOTE ] It is everyone's responsibility DURING THE SHOWDOWN. After the hand has been mucked, I think it is a closed issue.
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#34
07-05-2006, 03:12 PM
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You are a cheater and an a$$. Cards speak and you saw it. You lied on purpose to win T200. Why even bother posting here, you know what kind of answers you are going to see. Most posters here are in favor of playing by the rules to encourage a fair game. You sir clearly are not so you suck. [/ QUOTE ] This would like a basketball player stealing the ball, the ref not calling a foul on the play, and then the player stopping play and demanding that the ball be given back and free throws shot because he really did foul him on the steal. Its not your responsibility- its the official's(dealer's).
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#35
07-05-2006, 03:14 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
WarDekar,
I think you handled yourself fine, as did the floor. Obviously, the dealer is the real villain here and your opponent is no great genius either. The floorman's overriding responsibility to preserve the integrity of the game. In this case, the players' cards were properly tabled (it doesn't matter what he says), and the dealer made an error and pushed the pot to the wrong player. By polling other players, the floor is doing his best to determine whether an overturnable error was made. You are under no ethical obligation to point out the error when it occurs, but if asked, it would be unethical to lie. Once the floor determines that the dealer made a simple error in fact (so long as no hands have been played in the interim), he is right to correct it. You are correct to assist him by recreating the betting sequence and handing over the chips without fuss.
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#36
07-05-2006, 03:18 PM
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I'm surprised that the interpretation of the "Cards Speak" rule, is that cards speak if they are properly called by the player and no one can intervene. I think the ruling was made perfectly with the integrity of the game in mind. [/ QUOTE ] You're missing the point here...other players are welcome to intervene during the showdown. But if everyone misses it and its mucked, then its a dead issue imo. I agree with the poster who said that the floor decision should be respected, and I do respect it. And since thats their decision, I wouldn't hold it against them in any way. However, I do personally think that it was the wrong decision.
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#37
07-05-2006, 03:59 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
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[ QUOTE ] You are a cheater and an a$$. Cards speak and you saw it. You lied on purpose to win T200. Why even bother posting here, you know what kind of answers you are going to see. Most posters here are in favor of playing by the rules to encourage a fair game. You sir clearly are not so you suck. [/ QUOTE ] This would like a basketball player stealing the ball, the ref not calling a foul on the play, and then the player stopping play and demanding that the ball be given back and free throws shot because he really did foul him on the steal. Its not your responsibility- its the official's(dealer's). [/ QUOTE ] This opinion is so dangerous it's scary. It harms the integrity of the game. It is EVERYONE'S job to make sure once a hand is tabled that the best hand get's the pot, no questions. If the older man would've mucked his hand saying "eh all I had were three 4s with a nine" then it's 100% his fault and he get's nothing but as soon as he tables his hand it's your job to say "Don't push that at me it's not my pot" painful as it may be. Cody
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#38
07-05-2006, 04:04 PM
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...You are under no ethical obligation to point out the error when it occurs, but if asked, it would be unethical to lie... [/ QUOTE ] AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! Yes you are, it's your job to push the pot away and give it to the player. Cards Speak doesn't mean "if you call it correctly" it mean's the cards determine who wins regardless of what comes out of your mouth. Once the guy tabled his hand, he gets half the pot, no question. Once you stack the chips however, it's over, and you pay the poker gods later for angle shooting. Cody
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#39
07-05-2006, 04:41 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
Isn't anyone bothered by someone who was not at the table awarding a pot without seeing the cards? What's to stop the player and two other guys around him from conspiring to pull a stunt illegitimately? While I certainly agree with the "cards speak" sentiment, and am pretty sure I'd speak up myself if I was the OP, once the cards are gone and the pot pushed I've got serious concerns about a floorperson changing anything.
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#40
07-05-2006, 05:16 PM
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Re: Question on a ruling in my WSOP (#8) event
all you people saying OP is scum are idiots. like the basketball analogy, it's like a player got a call in his favor and didn't say anything about it. no one should talk about what he should've done in that situation, because you haven't been there. it's easy to point a moral finger at someone at a distance, but you can't judge someone in the heat of the moment (ie a big tournament)
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