I Keep Dreaming of This WSOP Hand...

[locutus2002]

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[Pat Southern]

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I dunno, I put his range at like...any draw, top pair, A5, A3, he misread his hand, he thinks QQ is the nuts, he thinks he can take you off AA because this is the first hand and besides QQ is the nuts...

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meh, I just really disagree. i just don't think the random online qualifier (ESPECIALLY one that elects to wear the t-shirt) is going to be "making moves" for half of his chips on the first hand of the tourney. i agree that eventually they'll get impatient/bored and A5/middle pair becomes the nuts, but not on the first hand.

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Agree 100%. Although many opponents will be willing to light $100 on fire because they "put you on AK," they aren't going to do it in the biggest tournament, and highlight, of their poker career.

[Nez477]

I think one factor which we are all missing is the online qualifier's mindset.

How many of them do you think want to go home on the first hand? After building it up for months and months and months and finally sitting down, do you seriously think many of them would feel comfortable reraising here with much less than a set? MAYBE QQ-AA, but in all liklihood he has hit his hand, is trying to make sure he doesn't get drawn out on by check-raising here.

If you are talking about cEV, well, maybe it's close against a range here. Maybe he has lots of draws a certain amount of time.

BUT.... are you ready to think about this hand for the rest of your life after you put your entire main event life on the line with one pair?

If so, then great. I think it's marginal, and using the PartyPoker T-Shirt as an excuse to make it sort of +cEV is just asking for disaster.

1) Random online pro doesn't want to go home first hand
2) You have 160BB's and can play tons more poker and put the pressure on others in much better situations
3) You have one pair against a random opponent who just called a reraise under the gun and check-raised you on the flop.

I'd fold to the check-raise, and I'd probably check behind on the flop. This is based on the fact that I would want to experience more poker in the tournament, but in general I don't think it's a bad line so early in a deep-stack tourney.

Brad

[T_Mac]

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I dunno, I put his range at like...any draw, top pair, A5, A3, he misread his hand, he thinks QQ is the nuts, he thinks he can take you off AA because this is the first hand and besides QQ is the nuts...

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"he misread his hand" hahahahahaha

Anyway, I dont understand this whole "shirt reading" idea...you're really saying that party poker shirt=hotel user=weak tight? wtf? Now I'm going to stress even more about what to wear to play poker, damn.

I think for a lot of people, they will see their WSOP seat as a chance to have fun and take a shot, and will be willing to gamble and make big plays. I think a 2+2er would be more likely to be "weak-tight" (as defined as unwilling to go broke with a marginal hand early) then a random internet qualifier would be. I would really loathe this situation, but in a big online tourney I rarely give credit to people this early, because theres so many idiots willing to go broke. So I'd probably push and pray.

[adanthar]

So what you guys are saying is that I should call every PFR, then CR in the dark.

[mlagoo]

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So what you guys are saying is that I should call every PFR, then CR in the dark.

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yes adanthar, because the actions your opponent will take on the first hand of the tournament are obviously the same ones they will take after seeing you make the same play several times over.

[Nez477]

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So what you guys are saying is that I should call every PFR, then CR in the dark.

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Andanthar,

Playing against you UTG on the first hand of the Main Event and a random internet player is entirely different.

And try and put yourself in a position where the buy-in is more than your bankroll. That will help a little too.

Brad

[GambleGamble]

If the donk knows what hes doing wouldnt he after he raised and got action with his aces just smooth call and hope to put the move on ya now, making more money then just reraising the flop to 2k and you chucking the KK at this point as he obviously has AA...so thats perfect for this scenario...Im 50/50 here, I try for some physical tell and let that make up my mind....

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if he was [censored] retard as we are assuming based on clothing wouldnt he have probably raised more than 3bb initially as hes an idiot and then def reraised poss to something insane like 3k+ or even All in as hes soooo nervous and wants to protect his AA so he can flip em over and say "Good fold, can you believe AA first hand of the WSOP ME"....

....If I do fold, I definatley show the fold in hopes to start working a table image I use to my advantage later.

OK, so does this hand become more or less interesting if we replace Party-Poker-shirt-boy with:

I) Phil Ivey
II) Phil Hellmuth
III) Mike Matusow
IV) adanthar

[mlagoo]

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....If I do fold, I definatley show the fold in hopes to start working a table image I use to my advantage later.

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i would never ever show this fold.