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Old 01-19-2006, 05:34 PM
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Default Re: Folding pocket rockets pf

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I would have to counter OrangeKing in the statement that being chip leader "means virtually nothing" in a ring game. In fact, having the big stack at the table is a huge assett,

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The reason you want this big stack is so that you can call in this situation.
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Old 01-19-2006, 07:43 PM
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Nat

pokenum -h ac as - kc kd - qc qh - jh jc - ts th
Holdem Hi: 850668 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 376535 44.26 470709 55.33 3424 0.40 0.443
Kc Kd 157255 18.49 689989 81.11 3424 0.40 0.186
Qc Qh 124431 14.63 722813 84.97 3424 0.40 0.147
Jc Jh 99888 11.74 747356 87.86 3424 0.40 0.118
Ts Th 89135 10.48 758109 89.12 3424 0.40 0.106
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Old 01-19-2006, 10:43 PM
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might as well fold K's and Q's too. They're -EV
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Old 01-19-2006, 10:45 PM
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Default Re: Folding pocket rockets pf

yeah, in a cash game you should never fold AA preflop. The only situation where a fold might be correct is if you were in the same position (chip lead) in some type of satellite tournament where like the top 5 places all recieved the same amount of money, and your chip stack was strong enough that your chances of making the money were better than your chance of winning this hand. Even in a tournament with a normal payout, the money is so weighted toward the top that you have to call here and possibly put yourself in an excellent position to win.
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Old 01-19-2006, 10:58 PM
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I always fold queens...lol
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Old 01-20-2006, 11:44 AM
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wow....I have lost my share of bad beats with AA, but I would still push all in every single time.

Folding AA preflop is unheard of in a cash game
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Old 01-20-2006, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: Folding pocket rockets pf

With pocket aces, the board could come down 2-2-2--2--3, and then you'd have the nuts!
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Old 01-20-2006, 01:44 PM
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why no?

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Because you would run in to a situation like that like 1 in 100,000 times you are dealt AA.
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Old 01-27-2006, 05:31 AM
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I'm still new to the game but I play to win money and don't put a lot of value in playing pots against many opponets just for the sake of the cards I hold. I've found it is much too easy to lose a lot of money in a marginal situation (all-in, before the flop, against 4 opponents, even if I'm the favorite) and then have to play a hundred hands to win back what I lost on my pocket AA than to just fold that one hand and take advantage of the next ten hands where I can see a couple of flops for a reasonable investment and continue adding dollars to my stake. How wrong am I? I'm talking about NL ring games, not tourneys. I think there is a time and a place to push any hand including AA, and maybe a time not to push.
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:21 PM
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You're thinking about this the wrong way. Every time you go all-in pre-flop with AA you're making Sklansky dollars. Even if your pot equity is below 50% due to numerous opponents, the profits from your wins will more than make up for your losses.

All-in pre-flop with AA in a cash game is one of the best situations a poker player can be in. Don't ever fold them pre-flop.
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