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RR · #31 06-09-2006, 07:10 PM

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It's just frustrating to see the guy who obviously doesn't know the house rule look at his phone briefly. Dealer then mucks the cards. No warning is to be given. "Sorry sir, it's the house rule." Of course it's posted on a tiny sign at the podium that noone ever sees. Player is understandably pissed and the dealer is left having to explain the shaky reasoning behind this rule. Player wants the floor, floor is called and repeats what the dealer says.

Whenever I hear a phone ring at the table now I instinctively say, "Don't look at it." Sometimes that helps. Usually it doesn't. Of course, players that know the rule are never victimized by it because they know what not to do. All it does it punish players who aren't aware of an obscure house rule.

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I would be very interested in what would happen if someone wanted to make a real issue of this. Even in places wehre their is a law that electronic devices are forbidden it does not then follow that you lose your interest in the pot. If this is an Indian casino they can do what they want, if it is some place where casinos are regulated they can't just take someone's money (interest in a pot).

Once at my first job as a supervisor someone came into the room and told me rule #14 was wrong. I looked on the wall and it said "#14 The supervisor's decision is final." I wondered what this guy's smart remark was going to be. Then he handed me his card; he was from gaming, he said "my decision is final."

MicroBob · #32 06-09-2006, 07:14 PM

this was pretty much the rule at the WSOP and all the satellites, etc.

Played a WSOP-circuit at the Grand in Tunica. Some $200 2nd-chance tourney.
Some guy raises pre-flop. Gets a couple callers.
Cell-phone rings.
IIRC I think he answered and told the person to hang on. Dealer mucks his cards and says it's the tournament rule.

They were pretty much doing the saame thing at the WSOp at the Rio last year (even in a single-table satellite).

You were allowed to step away from the table though but you ha to be off your phone before the cards got to your spot or you were mucked.

Quadstriker · #33 06-09-2006, 07:16 PM

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I would be very interested in what would happen if someone wanted to make a real issue of this. Even in places wehre their is a law that electronic devices are forbidden it does not then follow that you lose your interest in the pot. If this is an Indian casino they can do what they want, if it is some place where casinos are regulated they can't just take someone's money (interest in a pot).

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I'm not sure with my state's gaming regulations on the issue, but I know for a fact that no other casino I've played in here (4 or so) has a rule about phones as strict as "Look at your phone, your hand is dead." Everywhere else it's "Sir, you can't be on the phone during a hand. If you wish to take a call, you have to be away from the table."

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Once at my first job as a supervisor someone came into the room and told me rule #14 was wrong. I looked on the wall and it said "#14 The supervisor's decision is final." I wondered what this guy's smart remark was going to be. Then he handed me his card; he was from gaming, he said "my decision is final."

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I like this.

MicroBob · #34 06-09-2006, 07:19 PM

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People will only abuse the priveledge if the floorstaff is incompetant and allows them to abuse it.

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At the Bellagio last year one guy at my table was on his phone for an orbit or two and was continually holding up the game.
He as speaking very loudly and obnoxiously.
"F'king Bellagio!! Don't be a pussy. Get your ass down here." (pause). "I already told you, F'cking Bellagio. Why aren't you here yet."
This thrilling conversation went on and on while he continually held up the game and made everyone at the table kind of uncomfortable.

dealer and floor did nothing.

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Did anyone ask for the floor? Ideally the floor should be paying attention, but sometimes they aren't. I would be very suprised if the floor would not ask this player to step away from the tabel if he became aware of this.

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It would have been very difficult for anyone anywhere near the table NOT to hear it.
I looked and saw the floor reasonably nearby but they didn't seem to care that somebody was cussing that loudly on his phone.

I'm still rather noob-ish at B&M play and was reluctant to call the floor on a guy at our table as I figured they could take care of it.
In other words, I was a wimp about telling an intimidating drunk to mind his manners and quiet down.

I don't know enough about B&M poker, but I think it should be okay for a dealer or the floor to attend to a matter like this without some player needing to muster up the courage to complain about it.

If the poker-floor is bothered by all the 'nits' offering one complaint after another then one way to change that would be to address problems themselves without relying on the complainers.

Quadstriker · #35 06-09-2006, 07:21 PM

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Flop comes 6-5-3. It's bet, called, and raised in front of him. He pauses a moment, and says into the phone:

"Daddy call you back."

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BINDING!!!! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

RR · #36 06-09-2006, 07:30 PM

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this was pretty much the rule at the WSOP and all the satellites, etc.

Played a WSOP-circuit at the Grand in Tunica. Some $200 2nd-chance tourney.
Some guy raises pre-flop. Gets a couple callers.
Cell-phone rings.
IIRC I think he answered and told the person to hang on. Dealer mucks his cards and says it's the tournament rule.

They were pretty much doing the saame thing at the WSOp at the Rio last year (even in a single-table satellite).

You were allowed to step away from the table though but you ha to be off your phone before the cards got to your spot or you were mucked.

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There are two different rules at work here. You have to step away from the table to use the phone and you ahve to be seated when the dealer is done dealing. The Grand in Tunica has chased away or fired anyone that knows anything about poker. In a venue as large as the WSOP I can understand having a bad rule if it makes things easier to administate.

MicroBob · #37 06-09-2006, 07:33 PM

I recognized some from the WSOP at the Rio. Although I think there were some Grand folks there too.

This rule seems to just have been consistent with the WSOP at the Rio and I don't think indicates any incompetence specifically by the Grand-Tunica. In other words, I don't think the Grand-Tunica had any choice about this rule since they were WSOP-C tourneys.

ItsJzH · #38 06-09-2006, 07:58 PM

I also have had the same expierence as MicroBob with the WSOP and answerin phone calls, i briefly answered my phone while playing at the Caesars WSOP Circuit event, the dealer insta mucked my hand. But later on in a cash game i answered my phone while at the table and was still dealt hand after hand with the dealer saying nothing what so ever to me. Funny how stuff goes i guess

youtalkfunny · #39 06-09-2006, 08:26 PM

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1. If not for having a cellphone would the above mentioned baby not have been born?
2. Were babies not born before cellphones were invented?
3. If not for having a cellphone might the relative not been in an accident?
4. Did having a cellphone at the poker table enable the person in the accident to survive via some microwave magic?
5. If not for having a cellphone would the business robbery been prevented?
6. Did having a cellphone somehow help catch the burglar?
7. Did having the cellphone allow the poker player to douse the flames consuming his burning home?

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Obviously, you don't have children.

If you did, and some rule-making administrator tried to stand between you, and a phone call telling you that your kids were in harm's way, you'd want to tear his head off.

In a later post, you said you probably wouldn't be in a poker room if you were expecting an emergency phone call. Just as obviously, you've never received an emergency phone call, because they don't tend to any sort of schedule.

I was dealing once, and a players phone rang. She asked me, "May I answer that?" I said, "Of course." Another player piped up immediately about it. I told him, "What if her kid was just rushed to the hospital? There's no way I'm going to tell a person that they can't answer their phone." He had no counter to that.

I'm one of those people Randy mentioned who has received calls while in the poker room (one baby, one fire). If someone had stood between me and the telephone in either case, they would've been very sore the next morning.

(Interesting note about the "fire" call: it was the only time I've ever seen a dealer leave the table in the middle of a hand, and let another dealer finish the hand. I had no idea why I was being told to drop the deck and stand up immediately--I thought maybe a small rabid animal had crawled under my chair--until the new dealer said, "See the floorman," who was at the podium, holding up the phone. My heart sank. Good news never arrives in the middle of the night. When I picked up the phone, I was not expecting Ed McMahon from Publisher's Clearinghouse to congratulate me.)

Ignignokt · #40 06-09-2006, 08:26 PM

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a room that has a rule that you lose money for answering your phone is way out of line.

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At Ignignokt's House O' Poker, anyone answering their cell phone at the table would be zapped by the auto-aiming lasers, making their hand, and them, dead.

An exception would be made only if the player was dead money, in which case the laser would zap the phone.

Play the hand OR answer the phone. You get to pick, so I don't see the big deal.

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If you did, and some rule-making administrator tried to stand between you, and a phone call telling you that your kids were in harm's way, you'd want to tear his head off.

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If someone was so desperate to play poker that he demanded to do it while fielding a phone call telling him his kids were in harm's way, I'd want to tear his head off.