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[MDMA]

Jamazon: I despise the idea of blocking bets alltogether basically, so it's not surprising we're not on the same line. You cannot compare him calling a checkraise with a flush here to him raising a "block bet" on the river; the two concepts are not exactly two sides of the same coin at all.

Now, in retrospect, when OP explained that the idea was to bet and fold to a push, everything obviously changes.

[fslexcduck]

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I like a check on riv and depending on villians bet-raise or call

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this is results oriented. to not bet this river IMO would be absolutely criminal.

i probably bet the river a little more - thinking full pot. as played though, i like a fold though i don't know if i'd be good enough to do it. if i bet full pot and got raised, it would be much much easier to let it go.

[Maulik]

Chaos,

"No reads. Villain seems solid, hasn't done anything out of the ordinary and has a good sized stack. 3 bet turn? Check call river? Bigger river bet then fold?"

Correlation of villain being up +3buyins with being a good player is incorrect.
The turn min-raise is not indicative of a solid player.

Now we go that out of the way, solid players don't limp in the CO w/ big hearts as mentioned. What range of hands is he limping with that you’re behind? After this hand, did the CO s/d any hands he limped with?

What does 3-betting the turn accomplish? I'm assuming you'd like to do that because your hand is good. Villain pushes over your river bet and now you’re concerned with your hand being good? This seems inconsistent to me.

Check/calling river leaves money on the table after villain expresses interest in the hand. Don’t give villain credit for being ‘solid’ here after his actions simply from this hand and without reads. Call here and move on.

omg call

[Maulik]

150bb isn't deep enough to warrant a fold.

[creedofhubris]

The real problem here is that you've got both the jack and the queen. With Qx it's an easier call since there's a better hand left for him to overplay.

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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The real problem here is that you've got both the jack and the queen. With Qx it's an easier call since there's a better hand left for him to overplay.

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Exactly. Honestly, if there's ever a time to fold the 2nd nuts (which there is) it's here. Solid players simply do not push their low flushes anywhere nearly often enough to justify a call here. ALL the evidence is that you're behind-you got minraised on the turn, stop and go'd, and still got raised big. When you've essentially got the 2nd nuts and you've been betting like it and your opponent still doesn't care, it's time to reconsider whether your hand is good. I think that too often people look for excuses to call with very strong holdings convincing themselves that their opponents' ranges are much wider than they are.

[NLfool]

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The real problem here is that you've got both the jack and the queen. With Qx it's an easier call since there's a better hand left for him to overplay.

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yup maybe he has something like kh6h. Actually I wouldn't call the turn raise I'd put in another raise, as I've seen too many people get attached to AxKh. But as played it looks like a fold

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

I hate check raising the river, you have a good line and pay him off.

[BSman77]

I don't think I could fold this personally.