Party 100 vs Kukavica

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in the chance that a Q/J fall off, UTGs limping range definately includes KJ/KQ/AJ. getting one of those hands to drop is important enough that its worth the extra sb.

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Nah, it's not. If you get UTG off KJ/KQ/AJ, you've earned yourself another 2 outs (realistically less, since villain having AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AQ/AJ can all make this meaningless).

And 2 outs in a 7.5 sb pot are worth:

~1/22 x 7.5 = 0.34 sb. ie, a third of "the extra sb."

[DcifrThs]

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in the chance that a Q/J fall off, UTGs limping range definately includes KJ/KQ/AJ. getting one of those hands to drop is important enough that its worth the extra sb.

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Nah, it's not. If you get UTG off KJ/KQ/AJ, you've earned yourself another 2 outs (realistically less, since villain having AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AQ/AJ can all make this meaningless).

And 2 outs in a 7.5 sb pot are worth:

~1/22 x 7.5 = 0.34 sb. ie, a third of "the extra sb."

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the hand does not end on the flop.

Barron

[ALL1N]

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in the chance that a Q/J fall off, UTGs limping range definately includes KJ/KQ/AJ. getting one of those hands to drop is important enough that its worth the extra sb.

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Nah, it's not. If you get UTG off KJ/KQ/AJ, you've earned yourself another 2 outs (realistically less, since villain having AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AQ/AJ can all make this meaningless).

And 2 outs in a 7.5 sb pot are worth:

~1/22 x 7.5 = 0.34 sb. ie, a third of "the extra sb."

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the hand does not end on the flop.

Barron

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Do you stand by the fact that the extra outs gained are worth an extra sb? Do you want me to do the math? Because once we include reverse implied odds as well as implied odds, and the fact that villain can dominate these outs anyway, it'll almost surely end up even less than 0.34 sb.

Do you want me to do the math?