"Official" WSOP ME Broadcast on ESPN thread (9/12) (Days 4-6)

[NicksDad1970]

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Talking at the table and trying to tilt your opponent = part of poker. If you can't handle it, don't play poker. Physically threating someone is way out of line, and should've received a penalty, if nothing else for the cursing. The way they selectively enforce the penalties is really sick (eg. not penalizing comedians/actors who curse). Jeff and Prah should've played some heads up cash to settle it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

ESPN's coverage is so sickening awful. We don't see how Gold got his chips. We don't see Negreanu flame out. We don't see good poker plays (2p2ers holla). It's just one all-in and douche confrontation after another.

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So there's no out of bounds as far as the words? Because I can think of some stuff that tilt any human being.

[Ignignokt]

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Talking at the table and trying to tilt your opponent = part of poker.

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Sadly, being a big douche = part of poker too, and this has been clearly and repeatedly demonstrated in the ME broadcasts.

[Scooterdoo]

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How typical is it to see a paired flop like that, to bet out and have an aggressive player like Gold make a large re-raise with air?

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Gold only minraised the flop. He easily could have had a K.

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I did rewatch it again (wanted to see the Shaniac stuff; I usually fast-forward through the interviews) and noticed the mini-raise. Not sure what the guy's stack was but I just do not see how he could fold here. If you haven't done so already be sure to read Joe Pelton's blog at:

http://gaamblor.livejournal.com/

It's a pretty extensive trip report from his Legends $10k win last month. There's a hand when they get down to the final 2 tables. Here's what he says (JJ is Juanda):

down to 11 there is a 3 way all in on the other table and JJ jams 290k from the button on my bb i have 77 i call pretty quickly and he shows A9 and says "wow thats a strong call"...i think if i'm gonna fold 77 there i might as well go home


I put this in a similar category against Jamie Gold. Did he think he accumulated this many chips by simply playing the best hand every hand? Now if he hand QJ or JT perhaps it's not that simple. But with AJ I just don't see this being a fold.

[NicksDad1970]

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How typical is it to see a paired flop like that, to bet out and have an aggressive player like Gold make a large re-raise with air?

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Gold only minraised the flop. He easily could have had a K.

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I did rewatch it again (wanted to see the Shaniac stuff; I usually fast-forward through the interviews) and noticed the mini-raise. Not sure what the guy's stack was but I just do not see how he could fold here. If you haven't done so already be sure to read Joe Pelton's blog at:

http://gaamblor.livejournal.com/

It's a pretty extensive trip report from his Legends $10k win last month. There's a hand when they get down to the final 2 tables. Here's what he says (JJ is Juanda):

down to 11 there is a 3 way all in on the other table and JJ jams 290k from the button on my bb i have 77 i call pretty quickly and he shows A9 and says "wow thats a strong call"...i think if i'm gonna fold 77 there i might as well go home


I put this in a similar category against Jamie Gold. Did he think he accumulated this many chips by simply playing the best hand every hand? Now if he hand QJ or JT perhaps it's not that simple. But with AJ I just don't see this being a fold.

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Ok so if he doesn't fold does he push? If Gold has a K then he needs runner runner right?

I'm not saying play scared poker and I'm sure you know more about it than I do but one thing that scares me is the mini raise. Just inviting a call.

If he doesn't fold and doesn't push then obviously he calls. If he calls what does he do on the turn unless he catches a miracle? If he thinks Gold just might have that K then an ace on the turn does nothing for him but have him more committed. Even if he catched a J then he's got the sucker FH (if he thinks Gold has the K that is)

[Scooterdoo]

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Ok so if he doesn't fold does he push? If Gold has a K then he needs runner runner right?

I'm not saying play scared poker and I'm sure you know more about it than I do but one thing that scares me is the mini raise. Just inviting a call.

If he doesn't fold and doesn't push then obviously he calls. If he calls what does he do on the turn unless he catches a miracle? If he thinks Gold just might have that K then an ace on the turn does nothing for him but have him more committed. Even if he catched a J then he's got the sucker FH (if he thinks Gold has the K that is)


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The only reason to call IMHO is to get Gold to put in more chips on later streets. I think with AJ on a KKJ board against the super aggressive chip leader who makes a raise like that you MUST play this for all of your chips. Now if he does just call the scare cards would be an A or 9 so perhaps if he did call and then Gold showed strength he might decide to fold. But other than that scenario this is the time to play. The other factor is this... let's say Gold does have a K. Do you really see him mini-raising here given that he has position? It is such a sophisticated play and would require him to be doing the 'if I make the small raise it will look weak, therefore I'll do it and he'll take a stand, etc., etc.' type multi-level thinking and he needs to think that I (the AJ guy) is also thinking like that. I don't see this going on here. So if Gold really had a K with position and the AJ guy lead the flop (taking the lead from me since I was the PF raiser) I would not want to scare him off on the flop. Yes, it's possible that a mini-raise would look weak and some guys would push with air, but why not wait until the turn at least? (the mini-raise with the K might be a pretty clevel play against a known aggressive pro).

Why not just call and let the guy hang himself on the turn. Hey, anything is possible and Gold could have a K. But there is no way you win poker tournaments by making this laydown here. At least that's my opinion.

* You might argue that Gold did in fact act strong with the AA vs. TT hand and had the goods, but that was a much different scenario. Even then the guy who called with TT probably would have been right to make the call the majority of the time. That time, Gold had the goods. Hey, everyone has great cards some of the time.

[hammerva]

I don't care what people say, people that hate Humberto goofiness is borderline scummy. I would take Humberto light hearted, goofy activity over these smug arrogant internet poker players who think that all players before 2003 sucked.

Molina is a douche therefore the internet will love him.

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Do you really see him mini-raising here given that he has position?

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Gold wasn't in position. He was in the big blind and check-minraised the flop.

I think what might have thrown off Kim was the table talk. He had probably seen Gold chatter like that several times and show good hands (he was on a card rush), but hadn't seen him chatter and bluff yet.

It wasn't until the final table that it became obvious what Gold's table talk tell was, and even then none of the other players seemed to pick up on it.

[technologic]

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Do you really see him mini-raising here given that he has position?

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Gold wasn't in position. He was in the big blind and check-minraised the flop.

I think what might have thrown off Kim was the table talk. He had probably seen Gold chatter like that several times and show good hands (he was on a card rush), but hadn't seen him chatter and bluff yet.

It wasn't until the final table that it became obvious what Gold's table talk tell was, and even then none of the other players seemed to pick up on it.

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for a moment there, i thought you were talking about me lol.

[EC10]

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Molina is a douche therefore the internet will love him.

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Have you read ANY of the 500 posts in this sub-forum about the guy?

HINT: EVERYONE HATES HIM