Official JUNE uNL **'`MICROBREW THREAD`'** LC/NC this way...

[Genz]

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t8s can easily be laid down though if you hit an 8 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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NIT!

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@ kabouter/bluffbetter

I think suggesting that a 50NL unknown is 3b routinely with a wider range than, say, {JJ+, ATs+, AQo+} is incorrect. I even think bluffbetter's range of {AT+ 66+ KQ, KJs+} is too wide for an unknown at these stakes. And I would certsainly discount insanely light holdings like T8s/o.

If we see evidence to the contrary, cool, we adjust. But we have 22 hands on this guy so he is a tight unknown.

Dunno how I play the hand (it's a tough spot, I prolly call/re-ev flop and let it go quite easily) but that's my view on his 3b range.

[Genz]

Shizzle,

I didn't read all the mathematics. They are sure right but suppose that you actually have to hit a hand to win. That is a thinking that you need to let go off. You reraise him preflop, because you want him to fold preflop. So if you have a player who won't let go of his hand to a reraise because he always wants to see a flop, reraising oop becomes a far worse idea.
If you actually get called, you are in a pretty powerfull position: you announced tremendous strength preflop and the pot is big. A cbet will take down the pot almost always if villain is at least on some kind of regular basis trying to steal. To the average uNL player who has a pretty tight reraising range, you come across as holding at least JJ. You usually have enormous fold equity on "normal" flops. Of course, sometimes you have to let it go because the flop texture is just awfull. But the general rule is: hit him preflop so that he will let go of his T9o that he raised from the BTN. The same applies and is even much more powerfull when you reraise a positionally aware CO raiser from the BTN, because he won't even have position.

It's not so much about hitting the flop hard in a sneaky fashion and stacking him. It's about running over him preflop, scaring him, keeping him from stealing in a good frequency (they usually don't realise that you can't keep 3betting them all the time without risking a 4bet/push and stop stealing, which is wrong), making him uncomfortable, making him leave the table etc. etc.


(I have to give Gelford a lot of credit for all this, btw. Thx again [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] )

[Shizzle12345]

@genz: Ye i know, but i was thinking about the fact that I get reraised when i make a pos raise with a hand like 67s. And if i have to calll his reraise then. I never do it but i wonder how many times u flop something that u can stack KK QQ (sometimes JJ) and AA with. And how many times u can snatch th pot away if their AK or AQ missed. If that is their 3bet range preflop.

So do i have the odds to call his reraise, or do i let it go? The same about pocket pairs, if i get reraised, and if i flop a set i stack them like 8 out of 9 times. And sometimes theyr AK or AQ wont hit and i can take it down.

cos usually ill fold unless his stack is >100BB's , but i wanted to know the math behind it.

Ofcourse its a different story when I am the reraiser, he will respect my flop raise.

[kazana]

10NL is fun. That's all.

If I continue to enjoy it so much, I might just move down for a few weeks. 200 bi bankroll ftw. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[S.Clause]

You can use moneybookers to cash out. 1.8EUR fee for they transfer to your "home" bank.

[Shizzle12345]

but wont work on full tilt and poker stars i think

[bluffbetter]

I'm playing NL25 at the moment and am nearing $1500, when I hit this should I move up? I am at 6.61 BB/100 hands this month over 10500 hands. I started playing only cash about a month ago, having previously played loads of tourneys.

[Supwithbates]

I've decided I'm going to start playing donkaments again. Seeing how soft the fields are even in higher buyin tourneys makes me think I might find bigger profit in 20/180s or low rebuy (10r, etc.) tourneys than I am in ring.

I'll still play ring of course, so stars 50nlers don't get too relieved :-p

[Genz]

shizzle,

ah ok, I got the perspective wrong [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Well, if villain is only rarely reraising and therefore has a pretty tightly defined range, stacks have to be pretty deep to call with a suited connector, since you probably won't be able to pull off a float etc. IME people who 3bet rarely fall in love with their hands far too much. There was a thread a while ago if the 5/10 rule applies for SCs too. I think the final consensus was that you need to be a bit tighter. So if he is minreraising you and has a full stack otherwise, you can certainly call. If he raises 4x your raise, you should fold unless he will be a very straightforward player postflop.
I had such an opponent yesterday. It was just incredible. He was running like 44/37/1.2, esp. minraising and 3xBB raising preflop all the time. But he'd fold to almost ANY reraise (even if he was minraising and someone minreraised, making it like a limit play on 50nl: raise to $1, reraise to $1.5, fold. I really lawled) or postflop cbet and almost never cbetting himself. Increadibly weak postflop. Against such opponents you can call of course because there are so many ways that you can take their money away postflop.