I cannot win on pokerstars. Reasons ??

[Minn_pokerplyr]

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Unless it is to provide proof that we are affiliates (an accusation you just made AGAIN without any evidence) or to show all the posts where people have said they are 100% certain that the sites are not rigged, please stop posting. Your posts are getting more and more absurd by the moment.

Stop posting, and go read a GOOD poker book. A better poker player than I would have no problem at all driving a truck through all of the holes in your logic, I'm afraid I might fumble it a bit. Suffice to say that I know of MANY MANY players that make money in spite of that HUGE 5% rake lol.

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LOL, please. You don't need "evidence" to prove that there are a ton of affiliates posting in this thread. It is in their best interest to do so.

Common sense.

[MicroBob]

As I mentioned before I'm truly amazed by the philosophy of "I am so convinced about how good I am at poker that if there's a place where I'm not winning then it's either the worst luck imaginable or somehow the poker-room is out to get me and others like me."

It's amazing.

There are so many people on 2+2 who can speak of various math-type stuff and other poker concepts that I can only hope to begin to understand that I truly have an awareness of how little I know about this game and how mediocre to lousy a player I am.
It's all over the place.
So many people are so much smarter than me and it would be ridiculous and virtually impossible imo to somehow not see that.

Yet some of the conspiracy theorists who clamor on and on "the cards aren't the same on such-and-such site...you can just TELL they wouldn't run like that in a live game" are so lost in their own egotistical world of knowing how good their game is they just can't even bring themselves to acknowledge even the remote possibility that their losses just MIGHT be due to their own very basic understanding of the game or how they think it is supposed to work.

I just don't get how people can be like that.
It's so painfully obvious that if you're losing over a lengthy stretch then it's because you're a losing player.
But their ability to keep themselves in denial about this and make up one reason after another after another about the site rigging the cards is something I'm not even sure I would have believed rational thinking humans were capable of.

[Bobo Fett]

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LOL, please. You don't need "evidence" to prove that there are a ton of affiliates posting in this thread. It is in their best interest to do so.

Common sense.

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How good of you to join in. When I posted this, he had called those replying to his posts affiliates. There were only about 3 or 4 of us replying at the time. I'm not an affiliate, Josem says he isn't...so who exactly is the affiliate? Of course odds are none of us, or maybe one is, I really don't know for sure. Of course, he makes it sound like the majority of people disagreeing with him must be afiliates; I was holding him accountable. I'd like to know that when he makes accusations, he actually bases them on some kind of factual knowledge....goes to his credibility, and that of all of his posts.

Unfortunately, common sense is NOT very common. Your post is proof of that.

[Bobo Fett]

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Generalities. You avoid answering the very subtle points I make by degrading them.

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You avoid answering the very OBVIOUS points I make by, well, just avoiding them. Still waiting on the evidence you must have to go around accusing everyone of being affiliates, or do you just accuse people because it sounds good? Also waiting for you to quote a few posts of people saying they are 100% certain there is NO chance of rigging. At least you haven't dropped that one into your last few posts.

As to answering your "subtle points", it seems that subtle to you means non-sensical to me. Maybe you could make your subtle points again (perhaps in a different way?), and I'll see what I can do. However, it seems like your mind is made up, since no statistics will sway you.

[BigPoppa]

You know how there's a monthly WPEX thread and monthly chat threads?


Can we get monthly Tax Evasion and Teh Pokah is Rigged threads too? Just to keep from cluttering things up.

[5thStreetHog]

Alot was made after that U.S. legislation about whether the games would get tougher,and they did somewhat.Someone asked about a page back in this thread,what have we learned so far here??Well personally,ive been reassured that there will always be fish.Seeing these people pop up every day that cant win cause the sites are rigged surely should make every decent player smile.And the fact they will never recognize why they lose because their egos prevent them from learning is even better.Long live the fishes!!!!The reports of their demise have been greatly exaggerated.

[JackCase]

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A quick explanation of where I've got astray in my understanding of all this would be appreciated.

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You have gone wildly astray by assuming that you are engaged in a rational discussion with a sentient being.

[uDevil]

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Unfortunately, common sense is NOT very common.

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Let's see.

[realjaydub]

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You can read my thread in casinomeister in which I provide argumentation claiming that pokerooms are rigged: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/poke...oms-rigged.html

I have not read this thread yet, and someone might have mentioned it, but here is the WHY the casinos have profit in cheating the good players:

Suppose that half of the players of a pokeromm are conservative players (which I call good or skilled), and half are fishes. And thus the good players have an edge over the fishes of 10%. That means that for every 100$ wagered in the tables, 5$ will go to the rake, and 5$ will go to the good players. Therefore, in the long run, the rake will accumulate the 25% of the deposited money (since half of the deposited money is from good players and half from fishes). But if the casino cheats the players so that nobody wins more than the others, then 100% of the deposited money will be slowly accumulated by the rake. That is why the casinos have an interest of cheating the good players and help the fish get "lucky" when they have crap cards.

It's rigged everywhere, and this truth will be well known soon.

You will be amazed how some affliates in casinomeister rushed into degrading my arguments and convince us all that there isnt the slightest probability that the outcomes are not random, but modified by the casino. I am sure that some affiliates rushed into defending their business in this thread too. They are also pretending to be "pros", whereas their profits are made by the commision they get from the rake common players pay.

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I agree 100 percent.

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Me too.

[T Kiriakopoulos]

If you read carefully what I wrote, you will see that
1.)I said "suppose" that half of the players have a 10% edge over the others (rake ignored), to make my point easily understandable.
2.) I distinguished into 2 possible cases: The case that one cannot make profits with a 5% on his back, and the case that he can. And IF the first case is true, then there are no winners (and you are affiliates, lol). But IF the second case is true, then cheating is prooved.
3.) The expected value I am talking about is of the average player. And when it is very high, there is also an expected value even if you are a crap player. Therefore your implied argument that the losses occur because of winning poor whan winning and losing big when losing, (and not because of cheating) is collapsed. And it is just arbitrary to conclude that I am a below average player regarding this particular point.