New Fight Question

[Colm]

and yes, if it's been brought up, a top boxer would kill a mmaer in boxing. maybe even in kickboxing due to size of talent pool of pro boxing. but, it is rediculously easy to take down someone who has never wrestled, moreso if they are trying to punch you. so, that is what accounts for the losses of the boxer vs the mmaer in this scenario.

[JasonK]

In the left corner, we have John Hess, co-creator of Navy SEAL combative offshoot SAFTA (Scientifically Applied Force Training of America). In the right corner, making his pro fighting debut, we have MMA fighter Vitor Belfort, trained in BJJ. Don't blink or you might miss it.

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[DeadMoney_J]

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In the left corner, we have John Hess, co-creator of Navy SEAL combative offshoot SAFTA (Scientifically Applied Force Training of America). In the right corner, making his pro fighting debut, we have MMA fighter Vitor Belfort, trained in BJJ. Don't blink or you might miss it.

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Oh come on. I'm one of the people saying that the SEAL is not the favorite but this video has no pertinence within the parameters of this discussion.

Hess was a student of Lew Hicks (SAFTA founder) and was not to my knowledge ever even directly a part of the SOF community. While it is true that elements of the SCAR system (SAFTA is based off of this) have been incorporated into NSW center advanced training incoporated into CQB phases, the SAFTA system was never officially endorsed or bought by NSW or any other SOF.

[Sanchez1Fan]

yeah that would be just as bad as making the argument that mma guy would lose cause john hess was a UFC fighter.

[JasonK]

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In the left corner, we have John Hess, co-creator of Navy SEAL combative offshoot SAFTA (Scientifically Applied Force Training of America). In the right corner, making his pro fighting debut, we have MMA fighter Vitor Belfort, trained in BJJ. Don't blink or you might miss it.

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Oh come on. I'm one of the people saying that the SEAL is not the favorite but this video has no pertinence within the parameters of this discussion.

Hess was a student of Lew Hicks (SAFTA founder) and was not to my knowledge ever even directly a part of the SOF community. While it is true that elements of the SCAR system (SAFTA is based off of this) have been incorporated into NSW center advanced training incoporated into CQB phases, the SAFTA system was never officially endorsed or bought by NSW or any other SOF.

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You're partially correct, the whole of SCARS was bought and used by the NSW to train SEALs, not just elements of it. And Hicks was the top SCARS student according to the creator of SCARS. And SAFTA is commonly known to be SCARS with different marketing.

[kdotsky]

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Would you laugh if I had said 'what about the guys like Jean Claude Van Dam' in Kickboxer?

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Yes. Your knowledge of real fighting is miniscule.

[DeadMoney_J]

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In the left corner, we have John Hess, co-creator of Navy SEAL combative offshoot SAFTA (Scientifically Applied Force Training of America). In the right corner, making his pro fighting debut, we have MMA fighter Vitor Belfort, trained in BJJ. Don't blink or you might miss it.

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Oh come on. I'm one of the people saying that the SEAL is not the favorite but this video has no pertinence within the parameters of this discussion.

Hess was a student of Lew Hicks (SAFTA founder) and was not to my knowledge ever even directly a part of the SOF community. While it is true that elements of the SCAR system (SAFTA is based off of this) have been incorporated into NSW center advanced training incoporated into CQB phases, the SAFTA system was never officially endorsed or bought by NSW or any other SOF.

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You're partially correct, the whole of SCARS was bought and used by the NSW to train SEALs, not just elements of it. And Hicks was the top SCARS student according to the creator of SCARS. And SAFTA is commonly known to be SCARS with different marketing.

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Where did I say that it was purchased just to train elements of it? What I was saying is that SCARs is not currently a predominant H2H training program for NSW. To the best of my knowledge it is only officially instructed within the SOF community at the NSW center in the CQB phase of advanced training. I know for a fact that neither Dev Group nor NSWU-1 utilize this currently.

As for the lineage, yes SAFTA is SCARs with diff. marketing for the most part which in turn is based off of beginner/intermediate techniques of San Soo.

What does Hick's capability have to do with Hess never being a direct member of any SOF?

[JasonK]

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Where did I say that it was purchased just to train elements of it?
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While it is true that elements of the SCAR system (SAFTA is based off of this) have been incorporated into NSW center advanced training incoporated into CQB phases

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What I was saying is that SCARs is not currently a predominant H2H training program for NSW. To the best of my knowledge it is only officially instructed within the SOF community at the NSW center in the CQB phase of advanced training. I know for a fact that neither Dev Group nor NSWU-1 utilize this currently.

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Yeah, this was a decade ago. The NSW dropped SCARS a few years back.

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As for the lineage, yes SAFTA is SCARs with diff. marketing for the most part which in turn is based off of beginner/intermediate techniques of San Soo.

What does Hick's capability have to do with Hess never being a direct member of any SOF?

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Both Hicks and Hess trained under the creator of SCARS. They used a H2H fighting system that was very similar to what the SEALs were using. Whether he was or wasn't SOF I don't know, but he was trained in the same fighting system.

[Colm]

i should also mention for any of you martial arts guys that a journeyman boxer or mmaer would absolutely SCHOOL bruce lee in any sort of real fight. like top 100 in either, 135lbs. just school. just thought i'd get that in there. bruce lee= great theorist.

[Dementia]

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i should also mention for any of you martial arts guys that a journeyman boxer or mmaer would absolutely SCHOOL bruce lee in any sort of real fight. like top 100 in either, 135lbs. just school. just thought i'd get that in there. bruce lee= great theorist.

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yeah, piss on any martial artist, they are all theorists and for show. any boxer would beat their ass. lol sir.