Israel's Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah

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I don't get it.

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Sorry for the confusion nicky, the map was not meant as a response to you... just wanted to put some perspective on where a couple of the places being mentioned were.

fwiw, I believe that given the fighting currently going on in sothern lebanon, the UN should pull its observer force back to the Litani river.

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Why are they still there at all? The only purpose they serve at this point is providing Hezbollah with highly visible human shields for their operations.

[BCPVP]

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Uhhhh...because they are nowhere near where any ground troops are or are planned to go, maybe?

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So what?

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Instead of supposed multiple pleas about the UN site, when Israel informed them that the missile sites were legitimate targets, they UN might have considered moving them.

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Is there some doubt that Israel was told? Why the "supposed"? According to a U.N. officer, Israel had been told 10 times

Also according the story, these bombs were precision-guided bombs. They were direct hits on the U.N. building.

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In fact, if Kofi Annan has the audacity to claim that the targeting was intentional, a fair retort is that that Kofi intentionally left the site in harms way hoping for just this kind of accident.

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You're something else. Israel is blameless for precision-guided bombs dropped directly on a U.N. building and the Secretary General is totally at fault.

It's also tough to leave when the Israelis are willing to bomb truckloads of people trying to get away. I'd probably try hunkering down and hoping they weren't targeting me too.

[Copernicus]

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Uhhhh...because they are nowhere near where any ground troops are or are planned to go, maybe?

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So what?

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Instead of supposed multiple pleas about the UN site, when Israel informed them that the missile sites were legitimate targets, they UN might have considered moving them.

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Is there some doubt that Israel was told? Why the "supposed"? According to a U.N. officer, Israel had been told 10 times

Also according the story, these bombs were precision-guided bombs. They were direct hits on the U.N. building.

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In fact, if Kofi Annan has the audacity to claim that the targeting was intentional, a fair retort is that that Kofi intentionally left the site in harms way hoping for just this kind of accident.

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You're something else. Israel is blameless for precision-guided bombs dropped directly on a U.N. building and the Secretary General is totally at fault.

It's also tough to leave when the Israelis are willing to bomb truckloads of people trying to get away. I'd probably try hunkering down and hoping they weren't targeting me too.

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Has anyone representing Israel confirmed the multiple requests? If so I'll drop the "Supposed". Till then I dont take anything coming out of the UN at face value.

"Precision guided bombs"...do you know how there precision is defined? In terms of PROBABILITY of hitting the intended target. That probability != 1 for any weapons that Ive ever read about.

Do you know how close the 3 missile launch sites are to the UN observation post? Do you know how the presence of multiple weapons sites affects the probability of accuracy in hitting anyone of them?

Until someone presents a plausible motive for an intentional strike, its BS imo.

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Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper today said that he doubts the attack was intentional. "I certainly doubt that to be the case, given that the government of Israel has been cooperating with us in our evacuation efforts, in our efforts to move Canadian citizens out of Lebanon and also trying to keep our own troops that are on the ground involved in the evacuation out of harm's way." One Canadian citizen was among the four UN personnel that were killed and Canadians comprise Lebanon's largest foreign community.

[BCPVP]

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Has anyone representing Israel confirmed the multiple requests? If so I'll drop the "Supposed". Till then I dont take anything coming out of the UN at face value.

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This is bordering on childish.

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"Precision guided bombs"...do you know how there precision is defined? In terms of PROBABILITY of hitting the intended target. That probability != 1 for any weapons that Ive ever read about.

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Perhaps Israel shouldn't be dropping bombs if they can't be sure they'll hit what they intend. Hence the special forces comment I made. Do SWAT officers lob frag grenades at someone holding a gun to someone else's head?

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Do you know how close the 3 missile launch sites are to the UN observation post? Do you know how the presence of multiple weapons sites affects the probability of accuracy in hitting anyone of them?

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If you wanted to shoot an apple off your mother's head, would you use a shotgun?

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Until someone presents a plausible motive for an intentional strike, its BS imo.

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I think the Israelis just don't give a damn. If they kill some terrorists, great. If they kill civilians and non-combatants, oh well.

[Copernicus]

Apparently Kofi is hedging on his "intentional" accusations? I cant find any links but that was reported on WINS about 1/2 hour ago.

[TheDudeAbides]

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I think the Israelis just don't give a damn. If they kill some terrorists, great. If they kill civilians and non-combatants, oh well.

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Now you're just being glib. If that was the indeed the case, can you tell me why since the Palestinian uprising began, more Arabs have been killed by Arabs than by Israelis? If what you said held any water, Israel would've haphazardly bombed/attacked/killed many, many more over the years.

On a curious sidenote, what would be your thoughts if the U.S. was able to kill Bin Laden, but in the process had to kill ten Afghanis? 100? 1000? (Note: I am in no way condoning this action, I'm just curious to see how you feel on the subject from an objective point of view)

[Copernicus]

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Has anyone representing Israel confirmed the multiple requests? If so I'll drop the "Supposed". Till then I dont take anything coming out of the UN at face value.

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This is bordering on childish. <font color="red"> Is it? You do realize how anti-Semitic the UN has become, dont you? </font>

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"Precision guided bombs"...do you know how there precision is defined? In terms of PROBABILITY of hitting the intended target. That probability != 1 for any weapons that Ive ever read about.

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Perhaps Israel shouldn't be dropping bombs if they can't be sure they'll hit what they intend. Hence the special forces comment I made. <font color="red">Sure, perhaps Israel should just leave all of HZBs capabilities intact because no missile is 100% accurate. Talk about childish. And you refused to recognize that there are no special forces there or can reasonably be expected to get there before missiles are launced from those sites. </font> Do SWAT officers lob frag grenades at someone holding a gun to someone else's head? <font color="red"> wtf does that have to do with anything?</font>

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Do you know how close the 3 missile launch sites are to the UN observation post? Do you know how the presence of multiple weapons sites affects the probability of accuracy in hitting anyone of them?

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If you wanted to shoot an apple off your mother's head, would you use a shotgun? <font color="red"> the UN isnt Israels mother. Closer to an abusive UNcle </font>

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Until someone presents a plausible motive for an intentional strike, its BS imo.

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I think the Israelis just don't give a damn. If they kill some terrorists, great. If they kill civilians and non-combatants, oh well.

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[BCPVP]

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Is it? You do realize how anti-Semitic the UN has become, dont you?

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No. Also, anti-Israel != anti-semetic. Are the Irish anti-semetic as well?

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Sure, perhaps Israel should just leave all of HZBs capabilities intact because no missile is 100% accurate. Talk about childish. And you refused to recognize that there are no special forces there or can reasonably be expected to get there before missiles are launced from those sites.

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Your twisting of my words is even more childish. How long would a helocopter ride out there take? The helocopter wouldn't even need to carry people. Even an attack helocopter could visually identify the target to be sure they were hitting what they wanted (a concept any hunter safety graduate knows: know what you're aiming at and what's nearby if you miss).

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wtf does that have to do with anything?

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It seems to be Israel's mentality. That they have no responsibility to keep from hitting non-combatants. A SWAT officer using Israel's methods would be justified in firing his weapon wildly about a room full of hostages as long as he has a chance of hitting the hostage-taker. And you'd be the first to congratulate him, it would seem.

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the UN isnt Israels mother. Closer to an abusive UNcle

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Ah, so Israel did the world a favor then. They should, in fact, kill more of these abusive uncles.

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You have no basis for the opinion, but that rarely stops anyone from forming them.

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Nobody has any basis for any opinion they hold that opposes yours, do they?