"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers?

[jh12547]

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I agree with you porcupine in everything you say here except for applauding CF. Its funny how all these trnys we see on TV whether its the WSOP, after dark or whatever where these pros are always hanging around. Helmuth, Mouth, CF or someone always shows up. Go home get a life you have been knocked out. These other players are man/woman enough to figure out what then need with their own money. We dont see Brett Favre or Tom Brady at the SB when they arent in it. We didnt see Dirk or Nash at the Finals when the Spurs won. Go home pros or get a life and do something else instead of trying to be in the spotlight and influencing others all the time.

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I'm only speaking for myself (and correct me if I am not following your train of thought), but I would ASK CF to come into the room with me if I won. Because he'd be the kind of person I'd want advising me on how this all works. Heck I'd want a few of them in there with me...

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Fair enough if thats what want to do.
What exactly are these agents doing. Youd figure if agents are at the WSOP they would have some clues as to whats going on if its their job. Why else would they be there?

We dont seem to hear anything about what Tuan Lam did who made 5 mill. No one was there advising him on what to do with his money.
Every interview we see Yang saying he doing this or that with his money or charity but he needed help form CF. Again CF shouldnt of even been involved. Go home Chris Get a life you are out already.

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This makes no sense. Lam is a professional poker player. For instance if CF wasn't available, I'd be asking Lam. What do you not get ? Jerry has been playing poker 2 years.He's never cashed a big MTT. Any advice can only be beneficial to him.

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Again why other players why not the agents. What are the agents hes hired doing. If Joe schmo wins a 200 mill$ powerball ticket does he go to other powerball winners and say hey this is once in a lifetime and god helped me win now what the hell do i do with the money. So again why is CF involved?

[Aristotal]

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The problem here is Yang can figure out how to win a trny with 6k+ people but he needs advice on what to do with a tip afterwards. Why was CF there in the first place.When Yangs agent asked him to be there He could and should of said Yang figured out a way to win now he can figure out what to do with your $$. Goes to show these pro poker players dont have much of a life outside of gambling. I wonder if Tiger asks Mickelson what to tip his caddy after he wins a trny. Highly doubt it.

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I believe you've missed the fundamental reason this thread was started. An amateur player not being accustomed to winning a major tournament and a huge amount of money asks advice from someone who has "been there, done that". Any player who wins a major PGA golf tourney (whose prize, btw, is significantly smaller than what Yang won), they would have had to have spent considerable amount of time in the professional golf 'culture'. If, in fact, Joe Schmo, who just took up golf two years ago and plays occasionally for fun was to win the British open this weekend, I sure as hell hope he'd be smart enough to check with a seasoned pro as to what was customary tip his caddy. And, further to the point, if said pro golfer was to remind Joe Schmo that everyone who entered the tourney already dug into their wallets before it even started and put up a $1,400,000.00 tip pool for the caddies, I wonder if there would be the same indignation from the caddies.

[AngusThermopyle]

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Again why other players why not the agents. What are the agents hes hired doing. If Joe schmo wins a 200 mill$ powerball ticket does he go to other powerball winners and say hey this is once in a lifetime and god helped me win now what the hell do i do with the money. So again why is CF involved?

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You think the guy hired as his "agent" has huge experience at the cashout window?
The powerball winner hires an agent. That agent brings in experts in tax, publicity, etc. He does not do it all himself.
Neither would Yang's agent. He requested CF be there. If you want to know why the agent picked CF, why don't you ask the agent. Don't blame CF for being there.
I guess you would prefer someone who didn't know how much was already taken out for tips or someone who was more "dealer friendly".

[jh12547]

No matter what we all have different opinions on this and im obviously on the minority of who is right or wrong. There is no way of trying to prove points with anyone who isnt going to change their mind. Like all of you I am stubborn and I have my beliefs and you have yours. Im fine with that. End of discussion if you ask me.

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The problem here is Yang can figure out how to win a trny with 6k+ people but he needs advice on what to do with a tip afterwards. Why was CF there in the first place.When Yangs agent asked him to be there He could and should of said Yang figured out a way to win now he can figure out what to do with your $$. Goes to show these pro poker players dont have much of a life outside of gambling. I wonder if Tiger asks Mickelson what to tip his caddy after he wins a trny. Highly doubt it.

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This post is so stupid on so many levels that it's hard to figure out where to begin.

- Yang has no experience winning amounts anywhere near $8.2M
- CF, being a nice guy from all accounts, was willing to help someone who was in a situation where he has experience but was totally new to them - a situation where a neophyte could easy spend an unncessary $100k+. Not everyone is a jackass in real life, and unwilling to help others. Also, CF may also have been thinking about getting Yang to sign with Full Tilt, and a gesture of kindness wouldn't hurt that cause.
- Yang vs. CF is hardly similar to Woods vs. Mickelson. Plus, pro golf caddies don't get tips but that is the least inane part of your post.

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Some professions, as a matter of tradition, are paid tips based on a percentage of something. Waiters traditionally get 15-20% of the bill. Does this result in inequities? Undoubtedly. Does the person who served me dinner at the Mesa Grill deserve to make 4 times as much as the person who served me breakfast at the Sao Paolo Cafe? Undoubtedly not. Does this tradition result in people paying tips that are ridiculous in terms of the absolute dollars involved? All the time. Would you have a heart attack if you knew how much the wait staff at Manhattan's top restaurants makes? Probably.

The same is true in poker tournaments. In my experience, dealers are traditionally paid 2-3% of the prize pool, and if no money is withheld, are paid this percentage by those who cash in the tournament. Does this result in people who win huge tournaments leaving tips that seem ridiculous in terms of absolute dollars? All the time.

The amount withheld for the dealers from Harrah's during the WSOP, 70% of 1.8%, or 1.25%, is low according to established traditions in the poker industry. I think CF should have communicated this to Jerry Yang, and I'm sure Jerry would have left a significant amount of money for the dealers if he had. Saying you've already left $X is beside the point, since X is always going to be a huge number in absolute terms for the ME winner even if it's a puny number in terms of % of $8 million. If CF had said, "you've already left $10,000, that's enough", that would have seemed perfectly reasonable to a person who had never cashed in a poker tournament before and probably hasn't left too many tips in excess of $50 in his life.

Just as many players make more during the WSOP than during the rest of the year, it doesn't morally outrage me that dealers would as well. There are probably many tournaments during the year where they make very little, and on average it balances out.

The last people in the world who should point fingers at others and complain that they make too much money for what they do are poker players. Pro golf caddies would be way up on the list, however, even though those bags are pretty damn heavy. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[jh12547]

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The problem here is Yang can figure out how to win a trny with 6k+ people but he needs advice on what to do with a tip afterwards. Why was CF there in the first place.When Yangs agent asked him to be there He could and should of said Yang figured out a way to win now he can figure out what to do with your $$. Goes to show these pro poker players dont have much of a life outside of gambling. I wonder if Tiger asks Mickelson what to tip his caddy after he wins a trny. Highly doubt it.

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This post is so stupid on so many levels that it's hard to figure out where to begin.

- Yang has no experience winning amounts anywhere near $8.2M
- CF, being a nice guy from all accounts, was willing to help someone who was in a situation where he has experience but was totally new to them - a situation where a neophyte could easy spend an unncessary $100k+. Not everyone is a jackass in real life, and unwilling to help others. Also, CF may also have been thinking about getting Yang to sign with Full Tilt, and a gesture of kindness wouldn't hurt that cause.
- Yang vs. CF is hardly similar to Woods vs. Mickelson. Plus, pro golf caddies don't get tips but that is the least inane part of your post.

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Like i said we all have our own opinions and i repsect that. As for Cf being a nice guy im sure he was. Now after hed given all the facts to Yang and said "hey Jerry congrats you won now do what you want with your money" instead of saying "id recommend zero" like he did it probably wouldnt even been a issue with him if you ask me.
As for the Woods / Mickelson analogy it was probably a bit off. If it was Woods and some less scmuck who was basically a rookie tho it wasnt. Lastly for saying caddies dont get tips you are dead wrong. I specifically know 2 well known golfers on the senior tour( and yes were once on the PGA) who on numerous times have told me and others that caddies get a small % of our winnings plus whatever we want to tip them after.
In cocnlusion im sick of arguing with this amongst others and id rather not argue any more with others like myself, who arent going to change their mind on this matter. No more posts on this subject for me.

[ibluffoldladies]

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been thinking about getting Yang to sign with Full Tilt.

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You nailed the post until this quote.
WWJD?

[dspholladay]

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Good. Dealers who think they should be wealthy are idiots. Try going to college and getting a real job. You shouldnt be making $50/hour dealing poker.

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Why shouldn't I? I may not be the best dealer out there but I have a kick ass job that i love and why shouldn't i get paid well for a job that takes alot of skill and knowledge to be done right? Hell just having to put up with players with piss poor attitudes that blame their crappy play or poor luck on me and the cards i deal.....i should make alot more

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Should you make more than nurses?

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lol @ sklansky getting ignored. porcupine answered every other question too...

[PITTM]

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Steps to profit:
1. claim you were "stiffed" in long winded internet forum post

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I dare you to honestly ,without rewriting my posts, show me where i ever said that Jerry Y stiffed me or the dealers!


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what was that you said about us not having reading comprehension?

also, for the information you asked me to provide i would simply advise you to look at the title of this thread...that you made...in which you say..."advises yang to stiff dealers". so when he takes chris' advice, isnt it implied that he is now "stiffing" the dealer. which is entirely what you came here to complain about? see my post below for a hilarious counter quote that you also made.