Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?

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Politicians are distrusted because they make lots of stupid mistakes, not because they're planning on staging a coup at bkholdem's place.



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What about the junkie that broke into my house at 2 am to rob the place and came at me with a knife?

One of the politicians stupid mistakes to make heroin illegal so that this guys habit cost $200/day instead of $10/day which drove him to breaking and entering homes to acquire money and goods to trade for drugs instead of begging for the $10/day to buy a quart of booze like all the alcoholics do instead of attacking innocent people.

So the politicians created the circumstances that lead to this guy (who had stabbed people before btw) to a life of crime by making his drug illegal. I don't need to worry about a politician charging at my house, I have luckilly survived a dopesick junkie doing so stealthily under the cover of darkness. I also plan to survive if I am unfortunate to have a similar event occur in the future.

And now I am entrusted with the life of my wife, and possibly the life of a child in the not to distant future. Do you recommend that I wave a sign that says 'breaking and entering and assault and battery with a dangerous weapon are illegal, please cease and desist' in front of the next dope sick junies face that takes similar actions?

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Banning drugs has not reduced drug use.

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Is that really true? Don't bother wasting your time showing me stats. How is that really possible? Didn't prohibition reduce alcohol use? Don't speeding laws reduce speeding? Yes I still speed, as do many, but not as much as I would if there were no laws.

Why the hell wouldn't banning drugs reduce their usage? If you cut their supply and increase their price then it would have to reduce their consumption to some extent. Wouldn't banning Viagra in the US lower the consumption of it?

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Banning drugs has not reduced drug use.

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Is that really true? Don't bother wasting your time showing me stats.

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This tells me a lot about what kind of person you are.

Go listen to what the undercover narcotics detectives, police chiefs, federal judges, ex dea, etc have to say about it:

Law Enforecment Against Prohibition

www.leap.cc

There is a free educational video link halfway down the page on the right.

[bkholdem]

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Banning poker would reduce instances of problem gambling. Why does this assertion need to be backed? It's just true. Some problem gamblers prefer poker, they will gamble less often if it's taken away from them.

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How do you know they won't play their second-favorite game instead? They're addicted to gambling aren't they? They won't switch games, or play in an underground club, they'll just quit gambling because their favorite game was banned, when they couldn't stop when it was costing them their whole paycheck every week?

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If they're addicted to gambling primarily on poker, as some people are, then their incidences of problem gambling will be reduced ever so slightly. They will lose maybe one penny less while they try to find a new game. Can we agree on that much even? Or does every minute detail need to be proven in some kind of a study?

You guys are all like former school debate club members I'm guessing? I have a feeling you guys could succesfully argue just about anything.

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The straightforward use of logic has a funny way of leaving that impression on people.

[pyedog]

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What about the junkie that broke into my house at 2 am to rob the place and came at me with a knife?

One of the politicians stupid mistakes to make heroin illegal so that this guys habit cost $200/day instead of $10/day which drove him to breaking and entering homes to acquire money and goods to trade for drugs instead of begging for the $10/day to buy a quart of booze like all the alcoholics do instead of attacking innocent people.

So the politicians created the circumstances that lead to this guy (who had stabbed people before btw) to a life of crime by making his drug illegal. I don't need to worry about a politician charging at my house, I have luckilly survived a dopesick junkie doing so stealthily under the cover of darkness. I also plan to survive if I am unfortunate to have a similar event occur in the future.

And now I am entrusted with the life of my wife, and possibly the life of a child in the not to distant future. Do you recommend that I wave a sign that says 'breaking and entering and assault and battery with a dangerous weapon are illegal, please cease and desist' in front of the next dope sick junies face that takes similar actions?

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Well that's an alarming story and I'm sure that I would regret not having a gun if something like that happened in my house. Then again, I'd need to have it accessible under my pillow or something and wake up on time to stop him for it to matter.

Out of curiousity, what happened? Did you shoot the guy? Or threaten him with a gun to get him to stop? Why did he want to stab you instead of just stealing stuff? Obviously a psycho I guess.

My philosophy is that if someone wants to kill me then they will find a way to succeed. So hopefully it will never happen. I don't see the point in living a life of paranioa though, that would really suck.

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I will try one more time. If I say something is my right (for example, the right to not be endangered by your gun), and you say it not my right, what does that mean? Is it not my right because disagreement means that it is not objectively definable as a right? Does the disagreement automatically disqualify it as a right? Yes or no, please.

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If you think your neighbor owning somehting is infringing on your rights, go ahead and take him to court and see what happens. That's what courts are for.
You'd do far better to rely on the political process to change the underlying structure of the country so that things like law can be totally redefined, like in a communist country.

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Well if no civilians in the US had guns then it would be a safer country to live in. This can never be proven factually but to me and many other logical people it is quite obvious. I also think that reducing the number of guns in the country by as much as possible would make it a safer place.

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The empirical evidence in great britain contradicts this.

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My philosophy is that if someone wants to kill me then they will find a way to succeed.

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A compelling argument against gun control. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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What about the junkie that broke into my house at 2 am to rob the place and came at me with a knife?

One of the politicians stupid mistakes to make heroin illegal so that this guys habit cost $200/day instead of $10/day which drove him to breaking and entering homes to acquire money and goods to trade for drugs instead of begging for the $10/day to buy a quart of booze like all the alcoholics do instead of attacking innocent people.

So the politicians created the circumstances that lead to this guy (who had stabbed people before btw) to a life of crime by making his drug illegal. I don't need to worry about a politician charging at my house, I have luckilly survived a dopesick junkie doing so stealthily under the cover of darkness. I also plan to survive if I am unfortunate to have a similar event occur in the future.

And now I am entrusted with the life of my wife, and possibly the life of a child in the not to distant future. Do you recommend that I wave a sign that says 'breaking and entering and assault and battery with a dangerous weapon are illegal, please cease and desist' in front of the next dope sick junies face that takes similar actions?

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Well that's an alarming story and I'm sure that I would regret not having a gun if something like that happened in my house. Then again, I'd need to have it accessible under my pillow or something and wake up on time to stop him for it to matter.

Out of curiousity, what happened? Did you shoot the guy? Or threaten him with a gun to get him to stop? Why did he want to stab you instead of just stealing stuff? Obviously a psycho I guess.

My philosophy is that if someone wants to kill me then they will find a way to succeed. So hopefully it will never happen. I don't see the point in living a life of paranioa though, that would really suck.

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I used my crisis prevention and intervention skills to verbally de-escalate him. I then negotiated with him and talked him into leaving my dvd player and tv he had gathered by the door and taking a bag of frozen meats from my freezer and leaving.

Not bad for a paranoid freak, huh?

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Banning drugs has not reduced drug use.

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Is that really true? Don't bother wasting your time showing me stats.

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This tells me a lot about what kind of person you are.

Go listen to what the undercover narcotics detectives, police chiefs, federal judges, ex dea, etc have to say about it:

Law Enforecment Against Prohibition

www.leap.cc

There is a free educational video link halfway down the page on the right.

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Well I just flat out don't believe it, so the hell what? Because some DEA agents said something then it makes it true? It doesn't make logical sense that banning drugs wouldn't reduce usage.

I know that it doesn't eliminate drug use, but it reduces the consumption. Like you said, the heroin user now has to pay $300 instead of $10. So he does less of it. What genius logical step am I missing this time?

If there was some way to bet on this then I would bet everything I own. If alcohol was made illegal my parents wouldn't find some dealer on the corner to buy wine from. They just wouldn't drink. So its usage would be reduced for those two people.