hiv and shaundeeb are total scum

[AceCR9]

right now on FTP someone using HIV's name is sitting at 300/600NL w/ 30k stack. AND is also at 200/400nl on stars.

and "Grimstar" is playing 100/200 and 50/100, although this maty actually be him since noatima is there.

some shady things happening

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Pokerbob and Tiger are right.

Tongi you are missing the boat here, and the stupid petty insults towards Gildwulf don't help your case at all.

HIV congrats on making new friends and being part of the cool kids club. You are now their pet retard, enjoy.

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Oh no now I wont have friends on teh internets. WAhh pls respect me again

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No, instead you have people who pretend to be your friend in real life, but only because 1- they're laughing at you as they take joy in you [censored] up your life 2- you're a means to an end for them. Once the joke gets old, or the opportunities you provide them dry up, you'll go back to being a punchline.

Your boy Tongi is the one who encouraged and enabled kurosh as he consistantly busto-ed and [censored] up his life. Exactly the sort of person you should be rolling with

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Mr. tim caum doesn't take heed to the difference when he tosses around "facts".

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wtf? I clarified my stance on one of the first pages when El Diablo asked me to. There's a huge difference.

you guys lied to me in an attempt to scam one of my best friends out of a minimum of $10k. sorry i'm going to be a little upset about that!

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He was the one who made a fool out of his drunken self in the lobby
He was the one who wishes he was nath


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I was drunk? I didn't know that. Here is what I did that day:

4am: wake up after busting from PCA, head to lobby and drink champagne with waco and apestyles.
9am?: we leave to play craps
-drinking stops here-
10am: breakfast with Watts and timex. i'm sure they'll tell you I was a total mess unable to share an incoherent thought...
11am: ride lazy river for 3 hours by myself in an effort to relax for the first time on the trip
2pm: check out aquarium with ray, adam, alex and some guy I didn't know
3pm: head to downtown nassau with alex to do touristy stuff. dinner at amazing greek restaurant, drinking tea and water
7pm: 2 hour nap since I've been up since 4am and want to be able to go full force for the night
9pm: arrive in coral lobby, order glass of wine and start chatting with aaron been and kush about magic, since I've never played the game before
9:05pm: HIV comes up to me to ask for nath's phone number.
9:10pm: a wildly intoxicated MTC makes an ass out of himself when confronting HIV, shaun, and tongni


that sounds about right

I don't "wish" to be nath, I'm perfectly happy being me. I'll just keep nath as a friend and someone I can trust.



I also like how in the other thread you posted thinly veiled attacks at me implying that I'm jealous of you, when a simply apology would do just fine.

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Yah, and he doesn't have a total grudge towards me and is trying to toss my name around the muck, because that's what he does when he gets all defensive thinking he's or a close friend is getting attacked. Which wasn't the case but he overacted when he was drunk after HIV lied about the reason for the call. That's all than I got blamed for it because he's too ignorant to be able to differentiate two different situations based on brief conversation. It's funny though your last 3 days at pca are having you put effort into putting down others so you can feel superior. Which will never be the case.

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LOL

[MrTimCaum]

oh yeah, after tongni's latest posts it's beyond clear he's just as bad as the other two


verdict: scum




I expect some lame joke about my beautiful locks of hair any moment.

[keikiwai]

wow, will this thread reach "how many five yos" lenght?

and if it does... will it reach "hail whatever that name is we salute you"

and if that, how about "banging girls on myspace" lengths

anyway you look at it, it's got potential

carry on!

[shaundeeb]

when did I lie to you?

[tongni]

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Well, this


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Look, if I had to do it all over again, I would do everything the same except I would actually try to conceal who was playing


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As for playing on someone elses account, it is a grey area that I was willing to enter to have the opportunity to bust you in a series of escalating HU LHE freezeouts, but that ship has sailed.


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clears up any doubt that you're a scumbag.

The rest of your points have been covered already ad nauseum in the other thread.

I’ll address each argument, though.

1) Substituting for someone else in a heads-up freezeout match is not cheating because it doesn’t say so in the T&C.

There are plenty of things that we can consider cheating that are not covered in the T&C. Grimstarr verbally agreeing to a flipament, then backing out when his opponent pushes because of his weak cards is cheating. I would say there is 99% consensus on this. It is not covered in the T&C.

Why is it cheating? Cheating can be defined as swindling or defrauding someone, or depriving them of a right, money, or property by fraud. When Grimstarr folded when his opponent pushed, he directly stole hundreds of dollars of expected value out of his opponent’s pocket after agreeing to a fair, verbal contract. Nearly everyone can agree that Grimstarr cheated, including Grimstarr. He eventually admitted that mistake and we’ve generally moved on.

If I am challenged by HIV on 2p2 to a heads-up freezeout, and you sub in for him after we agree to sit down and play, you are directly stealing hundreds of dollars of expected value from my and Nath’s pocket. You are depriving me of expected value through fraudulent methods. This is the text-book definition of cheating.

2) There is no breach of trust between me and any of the parties involved.

I’m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, but there definitely was a breach of trust involved. You issued a challenge to me on 2p2 under the guise of someone else and tried to trick me into playing you in a headsup freezeout. Whether or not this trust was deserved is an entirely different argument, which you address below.

3) “If you don't think things like this happen in the world of high stakes poker you are very naive. I have had people switch back and forth on me while playing HU, people play me under different accounts, etc. I never really gave it a second thought. If you suspect something is up, just quit.”

“If it happens all the time, this makes it legitimate and the ends justify the means”. This argument has been brought up and rehashed a dozen times in the other thread. I’ll just quote a poster who can say it better than I can:


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Please ban the next [censored] who says something like this. It's not shocking that they exist, just that individuals that were thought to be stand-up guys are not. These are well-known members of a live/online community, not just SNs.

Once again, some young kids need to learn a valuable gambling lesson: Your word is your bond, and your rep is more important than an instant score.

Do you think young douchebags like Grimm HIV Tongni would be warned by a relative stranger if they heard that one of these kids was gonna get cheated/angle-shot somehow? No way. But nath and guild are clearly trustworthy and straight-up enough dudes that even Internet friends feel obliged to warn them about impending foul play. In other words,

"See, a friend is better than a dollar,
Cuz if you don't have a friend,
your dollar won't spend."
Blues Song

i.e. PWNED

Now HIV will never get a chance to get his money back, fairly or not, while GW will live happily ever after and bang hot chicks. If nath or guild go bust or get robbed at a bus station or need a couch or meth or a car with a big trunk at 4am, they can call someone who doesn't know them that well, based on their rep. You guys can't.


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As for your last point, where do you draw the line


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4) Where do you draw the line where it is ethical and unethical? If I show up randomly while he happens to be playing, comment on a few hands then leave, is that unethical? If I am sweating him on AIM and he tells me his hands and I tell him when he should switch gears, is that cheating? If he plays but I tell him every single thing to do is that cheating? If I click the buttons but he tells me every single thing to do is that unethical? If I offer my own commentary but the final decision is up to him? If I play three hands for him while he goes to the bathroom? 5? 10?


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I agree with you that this it is a difficult grey area, especially considering poker rooms are morally ambiguous when it comes to their customers (see the thread in highstakes where Full Tilt did nothing about a high-stakes player being robbed). As the overwhelming consensus on 2p2 illustrates though, there is clearly a line drawn before ‘actively calling someone out into a heads-up freezeout and pretending to be someone else in an attempt to scam them out of money’.

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I didn't read your post because I was too busy punching orphans in the stomach, but HU?

(you can get whoever you want to play on your account)

[tongni]

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oh yeah, after tongni's latest posts it's beyond clear he's just as bad as the other two


verdict: scum



I expect some lame joke about my beautiful locks of hair any moment.

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Huh? Who are you? Are you that one guy who's missing teeth?

[nath]

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Also, grow up ffs and take responsibility for your actions at some point in your life. You're a disgrace to 2p2

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LOL, strong words coming from the mod of BBV. Shouldn't you be posting worn-out, overused images or copy and pasting the same trite two liners over and over again? The only "disgrace" is how unfunny most of this forum is.

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MAN SHUT THE [censored] UP, YOU TRIED TO CHEAT US, AND JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE AN INTERNET LIMIT HOLD 'EM BADASS DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN DO WHATEVER THE [censored] YOU WANT, NO MATTER HOW COOL YOU THINK YOU ARE

GW is right, you need to [censored] grow up and take responsibility for your actions. The world is not your "LOL I'M A COOL KID" playground.

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Oh no now I wont have friends on teh internets. WAhh pls respect me again

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GFY, I loaned you money and you tried to cheat me, you better hope you never run into me anywhere the security cameras aren't rolling

[tongni]

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GFY, I loaned you money and you tried to cheat me,

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You really must have me confused for someone else. I don't accept loans from (filthy) tournament players.

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you better hope you never run into me anywhere the security cameras aren't rolling

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Man, I can't wait to see the look on the guy who you think is me's face when you kick his ass. I hope he knows karate.

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oops you were referring to loaning shaundeeb money. he is very large and slow and a big favorite to get his ass kicked. if a fight goes down I would put 3 to 1 on you Nath because you have clearly demonstrated through the ferocity and ardor of your post that pure testosterone runs through those veins of yours, or perhaps some testosterone/orange soda mix