ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[Losing all]

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Ok, so we know he cheated. And we know cheating is wrong.

That being said, wouldn't it be a fairly smart move on his part to issue some sort of apology? What are the odds that a well versed apology/confession would get him some sort of a reduced punishment or year ban instead of lifetime?

Let's here other suggestions as to what his next move should be. And lets try to limit the "hard drugs" and "sucking cock for heroin" jokes (even though I must admit I snickered when I read that one). If you were ZJ, what would you do?

-W-

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I wouldn't have f$%&^$#$ cheated in the first place. I could probably double my pathetic poker salary with partners, etc., but I wont go down that road. I have a hard time feeling sorry for a kid who cheated because 50K a month isn't enough.

[MicroBob]

1. Zee might have money in other accounts that party hasn't found to be connected to him yet.


2. He might be able to convince them of the amount he has won when he played solo in his SNG's or something like that. Maybe he offers to not set up any more accounts there again under other names in exchange for SOME of the money to be returned...and if they allow him to keep his seat on the cruise.

I don't know...I'm really just making stuff up without knowing much more than, "He's got 6 accounts...and party has locked him out."


But I'm pretty sure that Party hasn't completed their investigation yet...and it would be incorrect to assume that there is a 100% chance he doesn't get his money back.

Maybe it's only a SLIM chance he gets some of his money back...I don't know.

It may very well all be completely gone.
But it's not gone YET and that's the point.

[Caldarooni]

I just realized someone changed the heading under his name to "cheater".

Cold, and funny.

[snagglepuss]

[graydot]

Perhaps someone reported him using the Bernard91 account, and that he basiccaly screwed himself over?

[kipin]

[unlucky513]

i wonder if he used himself as an affiliate when he signed up with the other 5 accounts.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

Microbob,
Giving him any funds back at all, would be a massive PR-mistake. Even if it was in secrecy, the risk of it leaking would be too big. Party is smart enough to know this. His money is lost.

[steeser]

After the upgrade, I was playing in a 530 STT tourney, and a player was from SHERMAN OAKS, and somebody else outted him, and he merely said something to the effect of "I'm not denying it." and then finished the conversation as if he were Zee. I believe the account name was "Bernard61", but the 61 is just a guess.

I went as far as to check the Tournament reporter website, and found 1 tourney where that both "Bernard" and "ZeeJustin" played in. That was where I ended it as all of that is far from conclusive.

But, from his lack of statements about this type of practice, it did lead me to believe that he was doing this. His silence was speaking volumes to me.

[bocablkr]

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People wouldn't do multiple entries if it weren't pos ev, so I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying it's not because you can "take coinflips" or because "you always have 9 outs."

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I think this is at least part of it. It's the same philosophy that a lot of good players use in the early stages of a rebuy tournament: take a lot of risks, even make -cEV bets, to try to build a big stack. If you go broke, you can always rebuy. With 6 accounts, he's essentially playing with 5 rebuys when everyone else is playing a freezeout. For a good player, that has to be an advantage.

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I think most people are not aware of the main advantage of having multiple accounts besides the obvious ones of chip dumping and seeing more than one set of holes cards if you are at the same table.

It is called Kamikaze accounts. If you are one of the top pros in these events who do you fear the most - other pros. If you can eliminate them, then your EV goes way up. It would be easy for you to beat a tournament full of amateurs.

So what do you do - you wait until one of your kamikaze accounts is seated at a table with a known pro. Then, when the opportunity is there to bust them on a coin flip, you take it. You would normally never risk your only entry on a coin flip at this point but since you have kamikaze accounts, go for it. If it fails, you still have accounts left. But if it succeeds, you have doubled up as well as taking out a main competitor. Then you can use him to take out more pros until finally chip dumping to yourself at the end. Pretty slick and totally immoral in my book.

Always wondered how so many of the top online pros listed in Pocketfives rankings always got to the Final Table in so many events - it just seemed unreal. And it would be if they all had single accounts.