aba caught bluffing against bobby baldwin in 1.8mil pot

[Orlando Salazar]

I still think Bobby called to tilt Brian/see his cards. There is a chance he didn't have any more money behind or didn't want any confusion of chips in such a big pot. If you want to know, ask BB.

[eurythmech]

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So in recap, IDK where sammy got his money from

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Sure you do. Sounds like maybe you know when he first got it, but like everyone else you don't have a clue where it comes from. I seriously doubt it is anything illegal. The arabs are the richest people in the world but they don't go around boasting about it because they don't want to engender any more hatred from the west.

If Exxon made 17 billion in one quarter or whatever it was what do you think the countries and the families that actually control production and own the land are making?

Anyone that thinks the top 25 or so richest people in the world aren't Arab families is naive. I don't care what Forbes says, no way Buffet, Microsoft and some Euro-dude selling furniture are richer than the Arab families that control the oil. I'll take millions of barrels of oil every day over an operating system, an insurance peddler and a furniture maker. It makes perfect sense that from this fountain of money a small protion would trickle into the poker economy as does an unwillingness to disclose the source.

Didn't anyone read Mario Puzo's Fool's Die? "In this country you have to get rich in the Dark". There are no SEC filings or sets of books to audit when it comes to oil producing nations.

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The richest man in the world is now a Mexican. After that, you've got Buffett, Gates, the Indian Lakshmi Mittal who is worth about $40 billion because he owns a large part of the steel industry. No-one in the Middle East can compete with this because the wealth is spread across large families:

"Estimates place the total size of the royal family at 5000-plus princes, each one of whom is given $500,000 as a sort of start-up fee at birth. The family propagates at the alarming rate of between 35 and 40 princes each month. (For his personal pleasure, the founding king Ibn Saud kept four wives, four concubines, and four slaves, whose numbers he replenished frequently. He married into 30 tribes, a series of arrangements that supposedly helped knit the country together.)

The incredible wealth of this family is entirely based on American investment in and development of the country's oil fields, namely by Aramco, a joint venture of Standard Oil and Texaco. And the family has made money hand over fist, with annual oil revenues jumping from $4 billion in 1972 to $111 billion in 1981. Since the family runs the country, most of that money goes to them. Very little gets passed along through its medieval religious government to ordinary people."

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0141,ridgeway3,29134,6.html

So there's a lot of money, but it's not as concentrated as one guy owning most of a company. I'd take Gates' bank balance over any Saudi prince any day.

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lol u must be kidding, and u clearly don't now how these things go in those countries.
In those countries u have no IRS reporting every single dime u earn, like in the USA or Europe. Their net worth, and even their yearly income are based on rough estimation from outside there community. Hell they are the IRS and they basically own the country.
Why should they give us a accurate estimation of their wealth, they are not obligated to do so.

I would take half of what the emir REALLY has over Gates' bank balance ANY DAY ANY TIME

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What, besides idiocy, makes you so certain in his wealth?

[luckyjimm]

LuckySal are you sure it's not the Jews who control all the money in the world? Or the Bilderbergs?

Pls quit trolling

[daca]

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Mr. Townsend's post did not say anything about Bobby not raising on the river. I think he means he moved in and Bobby called. I may be wrong and often am. Bobby played his Broadway straight rather normally. I don't care how rich you are, it must be big time sweet to have somebody bluffing 600K at you on fifth street when you have the nuts.

In his book, Bobby Baldwin describes making a $44,000 call in a backroom game in Lubbock forty or so years ago. After the cards were out Bobby called with wired sixes and a scary board because of a read. Mr. Townsend describes many wealthy, soft players in the big game. Doyle confirms this easy aspect of the biggest games. It is always best to target the weakest players and make your moves and play your big pots with them since they may make an error.

Deciding you are going to bluff Bobby Balwin before a pot starts is an ego thing, a young man's thing, an expensive error that not only will he always remember, we will too.

This is also the plot of every poker movie and pool movie. The young guy tries the champ, ala the Hustler and Cinninati Kid, get beat then comes back wiser and stronger and uses this loss as learning. Best of luck, Brian.

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lol. Its just poker mang. Its all about EV. Nothing more.

[cbnz]

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Is aba + or - in this game?

Also, I would think the area that would be hardest for aba would be the slow pace of a live game. I think if the live players have an advantage over aba, i would think it would be there, and that ABA might end up bluffing a little too much or something.

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he is in the black and for once a comment that isn't retarded

[Micturition Man]

I don't know Johnny Hughes' history but I get the impression he knows very little about the actual play of poker.

Saying that trying to bluff at Bobby was 'an ego thing' and that Brian decided to it before the hand started is frankly stupid.

People who actually play poker decide to bluff because they think it's +EV. More specifically because their hand has little showdown value and is toward the bottom of their range.

I like old-timey story-tellers as much as everyone, but to keep spouting off this nonsense is insulting to the intelligence and the accomplishments of not just Brian but every successful internet player.

I still can't get over that you think that as disciplined a player as Brian, in PLO of all games (where blind aggression is truly suicidal), would decide BEFORE the hand to run a bluff on Bobby.

You watch too many movies man.

[luckyjimm]

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Saying that trying to bluff at Bobby was 'an ego thing' and that Brian decided to it before the hand started is frankly stupid.


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Maybe you could try reading Brian's blog about the hand?

"In the hand against Bobby I decided I was going to bluff right form the get go which is very bad. He was trapping and I even suspected he was but I just got caught up in the bluff. I had a lapse of judgment and it cost me."

[zooot]

Evidence of BT as a net loser over this Vegas trip? Have not seen any presented.

Anyone who believes the last couple weeks in Bobby's Room are indicative either way of BT's winrate/competence/ability to beat any game is obv Results Oriented.

(Oh, and btw if that's how we're keeping score I believe it has been well-documented in his Blog that despite losing this pot he is still in the Black)

[NickyC]

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first off i wanted to apologize to the guy whose friend says he dealt this hand, it appears he mostly got it right, though lord knows what considering running it twice after the river means. (also lord knows how you don't get all in with the nuts on the river?)

to the guy with the moronic crap about the richest people in the world all being "arabs," man you are dumb. what's great is your stupidity is cemented either if your post is your honest opinion, or if it's what you think of as some great "level."

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bwahahaha, nh.
I completely missed the part about running it twice AFTER the river. lawlz

[Micturition Man]

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I don't know Johnny Hughes' history but I get the impression he knows very little about the actual play of poker.

Saying that trying to bluff at Bobby was 'an ego thing' and that Brian decided to it before the hand started is frankly stupid.

People who actually play poker decide to bluff because they think it's +EV. More specifically because their hand has little showdown value and is toward the bottom of their range.

I like old-timey story-tellers as much as everyone, but to keep spouting off this nonsense is insulting to the intelligence and the accomplishments of not just Brian but every successful internet player.

I still can't get over that you think that as disciplined a player as Brian, in PLO of all games (where blind aggression is truly suicidal), would decide BEFORE the hand to run a bluff on Bobby.

You watch too many movies man.

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Wow, perhaps my biggest self-pwning since the invention of the Internet.

Sorry Johnny Hughes.

(My only defense is it really is retarded to decide to bluff someone before the hand starts, especially in PLO of all games... I really wasn't aware good players who are not on tilt do this.)