Official Barry Bonds Countdown Thread

[THAY3R]

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Guys I think it's pretty undeniable fact that Bonds rapes babies and invented AIDS.

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These are really the only kinds of arguments that the Bonds supporters can make, because they know it's silly to assert that he's actually clean.

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No one thinks he's clean. Everyone here thinks he took steroids, they are just pointing our your complete retardedness for asserting things as fact.

[bowens]

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Guys I think it's pretty undeniable fact that Bonds rapes babies and invented AIDS.

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These are really the only kinds of arguments that the Bonds supporters can make, because they know it's silly to assert that he's actually clean.

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And there's the point for everyone else, Drew. How can you assert that ANYONE is actually clean at this point? Please don't waste time by saying ZOMG, look at their bodies! You don't know. No one knows. It's just not right to bash one person. They all might be doing it. I know I may be naive about this, but it all seems so stupid.

[Triumph36]

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Guys I think it's pretty undeniable fact that Bonds rapes babies and invented AIDS.

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These are really the only kinds of arguments that the Bonds supporters can make, because they know it's silly to assert that he's actually clean.

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No one thinks he's clean. Everyone here thinks he took steroids, they are just pointing our your complete retardedness for asserting things as fact.

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I have never seen RedBean admit this, which is why he is a loon.

[DrewDevil]

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Guys I think it's pretty undeniable fact that Bonds rapes babies and invented AIDS.

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These are really the only kinds of arguments that the Bonds supporters can make, because they know it's silly to assert that he's actually clean.

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No one thinks he's clean. Everyone here thinks he took steroids, they are just pointing our your complete retardedness for asserting things as fact.

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Really? Is Redbean willing to say he thinks Bonds is dirty? I doubt it.

And what, exactly, have I asserted as fact that you dispute?

[THAY3R]

So if we both think there isn't a god does that mean it's undeniable fact that there is none?

[DrewDevil]

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Guys I think it's pretty undeniable fact that Bonds rapes babies and invented AIDS.

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These are really the only kinds of arguments that the Bonds supporters can make, because they know it's silly to assert that he's actually clean.

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And there's the point for everyone else, Drew. How can you assert that ANYONE is actually clean at this point? Please don't waste time by saying ZOMG, look at their bodies! You don't know. No one knows. It's just not right to bash one person. They all might be doing it. I know I may be naive about this, but it all seems so stupid.

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Not sure what you're asking me, but I've already said that I don't think any of the steroid cheaters belong in the Hall of Fame.

And the fact the "everybody's doing it" does not make it okay, or make it "not cheating." Bonds is singled out because he's the best player who augmented his career with roids, and because he's about the break what is arguably the most important record in sports.

Let's also note that I have said that I think Bonds should be the official home run king and that I don't think there should be any asterisks. I just don't think he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Redbean, apparently through his close personal relationship with Bonds, has asserted that Bonds doesn't care if he goes into the Hall or not. I guess we'll have to see about that.

[RedBean]

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You are the only person I have ever heard who has disputed that the "flaxseed oil" was, in fact, steroids.


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Let me clarify, I am not disputing what it was or wasn't.

I am simply disputing your claim that it was steroids is an undeniable fact.

It could have been weapons grade plutonium for all I know.

The only known fact is that it has never been proven what it was or wasn't, and those who know haven't said...so to claim it was steroids as an undeniable fact is misleading.

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Here are my three statements again, for the record:

1. Bonds used steroids. Dispute? or no?
2. Bonds was cheating when he used steroids. Dispute? or no?
3. Because Bonds was cheating, he doesn't deserve the HoF.

I assert that #1 and #2 are facts and that #3 is an opinion. If you are going to dispute #1 and #2, then please do, and stop throwing up semantical arguments and red herrings about the legal process.

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Just to clarify again, I dispute that #1 and #2 are facts.

[DrewDevil]

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So if we both think there isn't a god does that mean it's undeniable fact that there is none?

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You and Redbean have yet to deny that it's a fact, only denied that it's an undeniable fact. Well, I guess that's true, since you're denying that it's undeniable. Again, I think this is just a semantical game and it's getting old.

So let me get this straight... you think it's a fact that Bonds used steroids but you don't think it's an "undeniable" fact?

[DrewDevil]

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You are the only person I have ever heard who has disputed that the "flaxseed oil" was, in fact, steroids.


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Let me clarify, I am not disputing what it was or wasn't.

I am simply disputing your claim that it was steroids is an undeniable fact.

It could have been weapons grade plutonium for all I know.

The only known fact is that it has never been proven what it was or wasn't, and those who know haven't said...so to claim it was steroids as an undeniable fact is misleading.

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Here are my three statements again, for the record:

1. Bonds used steroids. Dispute? or no?
2. Bonds was cheating when he used steroids. Dispute? or no?
3. Because Bonds was cheating, he doesn't deserve the HoF.

I assert that #1 and #2 are facts and that #3 is an opinion. If you are going to dispute #1 and #2, then please do, and stop throwing up semantical arguments and red herrings about the legal process.

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Just to clarify again, I dispute that #1 and #2 are facts.

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So then you are saying that Bonds did not use steroids? He either did, or he didn't. It's not a matter of opinion.

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sorry Drew, you're really not good at this.