**LOST 5/24 Episode SEASON FINALE**

[CrazyEyez]

JBB is right on the money. I have been a staunch Lost defender against the haters who say we don't learn anything. However, I feel myself slipping over to the dark side.

Here's what we learned:
1) Desmond not pushing the button on time brought the plane down.
2) Desmond's chick has some knowledge of the island and is looking for it/him.
3) The notebooks from the Pearl are a joke

1) and 3) have been suspected already. IMO for the finale to be satisfying, they needed to tell us what the Others' goal is. As far as overall significance of why the main characters are on the island in the first place, we know nothing more than we knew 2-3 episodes into the whole series.

The episode had many OMG moments, however when all is said and done, it was a lot of flash and very little substance. I'm sad today because I realize my love for the show has peaked. That said, I still love the show and it's going to be a long summer.

[Badger]

Thought on the others?
Phonies? Part of a Dharma initiative experiment? Part of the Dhama Initiative? Illuminati running the world?

Henry saying we're the good guys leads me to believe there may be a much larger scope of good vs. bad going on.

[evil twin]

Well the way you quoted my post made that hard to answer. Here we go anyway.
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yeah, an EMP caused the plane to break in to two pieces in mid-air. Take a look back at the pilot in freeze frame mode during the cabin scenes, and notice the balls of black (smoke?) hovering around the cockpit. There's more to the crash than an EMP.

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It's pretty obvious there's a lot more to the plane crash than the EMP. I don't dispute that. But the EMP played a part.

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No one can survive in a magnetic field strong enough to drag a plane a few miles. bzzt. try again

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It is you that needs to try again. If a magnet was powerful enough to pull a plane in from distance then people wouldn't beable to walk around the island with any metal whatsoever. Guns and belts for example. Furthermore when peoples brains are exposed to very powerful magnetic fields they start going badly wrong.

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sure it does. the plane was ripped in two and yet a bunch of people miraculously survived. magnet or not, EMP or not, people don't walk away from this kind of crash normally

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Obviously there's a lot more going on that just the EMP. But I say again it's pretty obvious the EMP played a part.

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yeah, EMPs make a white flash. Sure they do.

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Once again with the sarcasm. Once again with the wrongness. It depends entirely on the source for the EMP. For example, a nuclear detonation is a source of an EMP and obviously there is a vast initial visable radiation (light) burst at the moment of explosion. There are devices that will simulate that part without the explosion itself.

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The button must get pressed otherwise a huge EMP is emitted which can allow people "outside" to find the otherwise shielded island.

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Yes. After the "incident" the following protocol had to be observed. The have to prevent the EMP from happening so the island is not easily locatable.

All I'm saying is that it seems to fit. Not that this is what is happening.

[Dids]

Guys,

I think trying to apply real world science to this, or to even assume that what we saw was a by the book EMP is kinda silly.

"Some electromagnetic [censored] happened and a plane crashed"

Discussions about what EMP's do remind me of people bitching about Ocean's 11 and that make me want to break out the stabbing knife.

[bwana devil]

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Ok.

Libby is, at worst, a Hanso patsy. At best, she's independently wealthy and just incredibly ashamed of her forced stay in a mental hospital.



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here's how your theory plays out. libby's hired by desmond's girlfriend's dad, widmore, to bump into desmond in the coffee shop. libby offers desmond a free boat which widmore knows desmond will accept in order to race. widmore arranges for the boat to crash on the island (possibly because of the magnetic pull?)

later libby comes on the island and infiltrates the group of tailies.

last scene penny, desmond's old girlfriend, is woken up being told that a magnetic anomoly has been found. did penny catch wind of dad's plan and she has been scanning the globe for the magnetic area trying to find desmond?

bwana

[CrazyEyez]

Someone help me out - as soon as I saw Desmond's gf's dad, and heard his name, I was like oh he's a Hanso guy. How do I know this? I thought at first he was on the Hanso website's bio section, but he's not. Did I imagine the connection, or is there evidence of it?

Also, Charlie's behavior was very weird at the end. Doesn't make sense that he doesn't know where Locke/Eko are, and was acting to Claire as if nothing happened in the hatch.

[belgianbeerlover]

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Guys,

I think trying to apply real world science to this, or to even assume that what we saw was a by the book EMP is kinda silly.

"Some electromagnetic [censored] happened and a plane crashed"

Discussions about what EMP's do remind me of people bitching about Ocean's 11 and that make me want to break out the stabbing knife.

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Yep-

Mindfuck
From LostPedia
Mindfuck - or Operation Mindfuck is a term that can be associated with the show.

Mindfuck is part of a chaos-based Religion called Discordianism which is a unique combination of practical jokes and religion. It also is associated with the Illuminati (and "their" number 23). Most interestingly though is that it also refers to a certain way of thinking, that is found in LOST. It deals with playing mind-tricks and riddles with people.

In movies of this genre, it is common, that - as the film goes on - sequences of it are revealed to be not real or not real in the way the viewers and/or characters thought it to be. Examples of this may include Virtual Realities, dreams, hallucinations, psychotic experiences, manipulation by (superior) others, a wrong interpretation of their situation/identity by the characters. All of these films have in common, that what seems to be real or reality turns out to be something different in the end. Sometimes the deception can have several layers. These movies also tend to leave the viewer baffled and confused by not explaining everything about the "unreal" reality.

Some well known movies and TV series which contain elements of the "Mindfuck" principle:

Movies
Dark City
Donnie Darko
eXistenZ
Fight Club
The Forgotten
The Game
House of the Long Shadows
The Island
The Matrix
Memento
Mulholland Drive
The Others
La Rivière du hibou (aka "An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge")
The Saw series: Saw I and Saw II
Total Recall
Videodrome
The Village
TV series
X-Files
Alias (which has a connection to the makers of LOST via director J.J. Abrams).
The Prisoner
Of course, the whole topic is more complex than this and additional reading is recommended.

[CrazyEyez]

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Ok.

Libby is, at worst, a Hanso patsy. At best, she's independently wealthy and just incredibly ashamed of her forced stay in a mental hospital.



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here's how your theory plays out. libby's hired by desmond's girlfriend's dad, widmore, to bump into desmond in the coffee shop. libby offers desmond a free boat which widmore knows desmond will accept in order to race. widmore arranges for the boat to crash on the island (possibly because of the magnetic pull?)

later libby comes on the island and infiltrates the group of tailies.

last scene penny, desmond's old girlfriend, is woken up being told that a magnetic anomoly has been found. did penny catch wind of dad's plan and she has been scanning the globe for the magnetic area trying to find desmond?

bwana



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I like it.

[bwana devil]

his name is Widmore. Charles Widmore? there have been numerous Widmore products on the island. the ballon that notHenry crashed in, the pregnancy test, and something else were all Widmore products.

[Evan]

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Also, Charlie's behavior was very weird at the end. Doesn't make sense that he doesn't know where Locke/Eko are, and was acting to Claire as if nothing happened in the hatch.

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Could Charlie be "infected"?