Ftp stole my money

[OneBigRed]

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To use your example, he is told by the B&M that they have "caught him on tape" cheating.

And all he is asking for is to see the tape.

"If you have me on tape fine, let me see it."

A reasonable request.



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Complete and useless OT:

Im not sure, but IIRC they dont even show you the tapes in B&M?

[Gregg777]

True, but in order for the B&M's case to hold up, they would have to provide the tape to the courts for successful prosecution.

In this case there is simply no clear jurisdiction or third party like the courts.

Again, let me reiterate, I don't give a squadoosh about Eric, as far as I am concerned he is guilty.

But FTP's ability to confiscate funds and terminate an account based on confidential assertions is disconcerting to someone who has a large bankroll on FTP.

Can someone provide a link to the thread with the guy who turned out to be innocent after getting $25k confiscated?

For some reason I can't find it doing a search.

[grinin]

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ftpdoug, if eric would have cashed out in say 5k increments would he have triggered and investigation? how about 2k?

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i really don't understand why you would ask this? The answer only benefits those who are attempting fraud.

[grinin]

For reference, usually the hand histories are not the smoking gun and there would inevitably be people that would say "well he could have simply snapped off a bluff", etc. Thus, it serves no purpose to post them on the board.

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Sorry, i think that it is probably best not to go into further detail, although it should be simple to piece together

[PoorLawyer]

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Ya it was very smart and solid work since I used 7 frauded cards to dump to 1 account only to lose it all to ftp regulars according to Doug. Just simply stroke of genious. Beleive whatever the holy Doug has to say after all he provided very solid evidence right?

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I think he just wants to know how he got caught THIS time so he can refine his technique. He may not remember the details of running up to 14K because he has been doing it at sites for a while. Be gone with you.

[PoorLawyer]

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I want 1 thing other then hand historys, I want to know how a player who used fraudlent cards that dumped to me got $8000 onto the site.

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maybe he got his limits increased. maybe he deposited over a few days. maybe he won it. maybe he got it dumped to him first. more importantly, maybe you shouldn't have told him you'd go in on his scam. Too bad there is no online poker back room where you can get your kneecaps shot off.

[Quanah Parker]

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So if there are other Eric Joneses from Stroudsburg, PA with two locked FTP accounts, I couldn't find them.

Doug

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Just wanted to remind our PA ballas we got this much info on the creep.

..and this thread is finally getting Schiavo.
Brain dead, but it won't seem to die.

[Gregg777]

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For reference, usually the hand histories are not the smoking gun.

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True.

However, chip dumping is extremely evident in only a few hand histories.

Eric says he didn't chip dump, FTPDoug says he did.

If FTPDoug provides, say ten sequential hand histories that are verifiable, and chip dumping is obvious, which it always is, then any doubt whatsoever would completely disappear without giving any "clues" on how to scam or do credit card fraud.

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I think he just wants to know how he got caught THIS time so he can refine his technique. He may not remember the details of running up to 14K because he has been doing it at sites for a while. Be gone with you.


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FTP definitely shouldn't give away details on the complete process for obvious reasons, but chip dumping evidence via ten or so hand histories doesn't reveal anything new since you can do a search to find dozens of examples of chip dumnping.

This thread is getting old so I will bow out, but one final comment.

I really don't care if FTPDoug shows the HH's or not, my response is aimed more towards those who say Eric is definitely guilty without concrete proof which the accusing party says exists.

Some of these people who are so positive that Eric is guilty are also the same people who were condemning the last guy who was obviously guilty when his $25k was confiscated, but it turned out he was innocent.

[Belzebuth]

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I want 1 thing other then hand historys, I want to know how a player who used fraudlent cards that dumped to me got $8000 onto the site.

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YES, I want to know about that as well. I have this stack of credit cards I bought from this russian site....

[dknightx]

its a shame that everyone so blindly believes everything FTPDoug has to say. Not to say that what he is saying isnt the truth, but come on. If we are easily persuaded to believe FTP, this is EXACTLY the reason, they can steal people's money without risk of losing players. Some guy happened to win money from CC fraudster? ACCOUNT LOCKED, FUNDS STOLEN ... but wait! only if he WINS money and tries to cash out! yeah!

I work in a business that uses CC all the time, it does not take 2.5 months to determine CC fraud. In addition, if we believe FTPDoug's claim, eric only played a few hands ... it would be OBVIOUS he was chip dumping. Until we see the HH, it seems foolish of us to assume that FTP's methods are anywhere near accurate or fair.