Some Stuff About PUA (very long)

[NajdorfDefense]

Everyone over the age of 16 should read Influence: The Power of Persuasion by Dr. Cialdini. Many top businesspeople put it on their alltime top 5 list when asked. I recommend it to everyone.

There's a good reason Sam Walton wouldn't let his employees take anything, not even a pen, from a salesman or distributor.

[NajdorfDefense]

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I didn't have any traumatic experiences or anything that triggered my "conversion"--I just figured out I wasn't getting what I wanted (hot chicks...). Sidenote: figuring out what you actually want is kinda important.

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This is a very important point that should not be ignored. At first, you/me go to college or clubs and think "I want the hottest girl here," but generally, that's not what 95% of us want. It took me a short while but I realized I wanted someone who was attractive, smart, funny, doesn't smoke, good listener, loyal, good in bed, doesn't mind casinos, etc - but not necessarily the hottest girl in the room with the best body.

Figuring out what you actually want is key.

[tpir]

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I don't know quite how to describe this process, but I think some of you are gonna nod and say 'yeah, exactly' and others will have little idea of what I'm talking about.

I find interest in other people - ...With that in hand I usually just start talking and everything works out fine. Without it I have nothing to say at all....It's like people are invisible to me unless I already know something specific about them.

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(I thought this thread wasn't about you?)

Also, did you read MaxPower's post about PUA up above? Good stuff imo.

[Alamo]

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will check out those books...guess my question was worded poorly...was wondering more about whether they are similar or different, rather than making a statement, since i have only read the carnegie stuff...

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All good, as said, I was not bashing you. But somehow on this board it seems that PUA=bad and manipulative, there is so much more to it.

[tpir]

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bashing you. But somehow on this board it seems that PUA=bad and manipulative

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I have a hard time getting past the actual "Pick-Up Artist" part and still taking it seriously. I am aware it is more than just that, but maybe a new term is in order?

[Alamo]

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god damnit, I wish you nerds would actually think about things from the girls' perspectives.

Until I was about 18, I'd say I was an idealistic emo nerd w/ probably a lot of the same feelings you are trying to describe. I didn't have any traumatic experiences or anything that triggered my "conversion"--I just figured out I wasn't getting what I wanted (hot chicks on my dick ldo). Sidenote: figuring out what you actually want is kinda important.

The irony is, once I started doing whatever the [censored] I wanted, and REALLY being MYSELF, I finally got the girls.
This is a win/win because 1) you're doing what you want regardless, 2) girls respect and are attracted to this.

THIS is what PUA is about (I am not PUA FWIW, but I guess you could call me an "apologist"). It actually IS about being yourself, not the opposite.

Also, even if what you're looking for IS an LTR, not a one-night stand, there is still a LOT to be learned from the PUA's. You can [censored] a girl and turn it into a relationship, but not the other way around.

But seriously, think about it from the girls' perspective: who do you think she'd rather [censored]? The tough alpha-male or the sensitive pussy?

Also [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] how OP keeps repeating this is not about him, but can't STFU relating everything back to how awesome he is. Obviously not. Grow a pair and stop whining.

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Best post of this thread.

[skunkworks]

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PUA=bad and manipulative

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QFT. I also hear that PUAs enjoy raping baby seals.

[traz]

HBseal

[Anacardo]

I think it would be interesting to have the slightest hint of female perspective on any of this stuff.

[Dudd]

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I think it would be interesting to have the slightest hint of female perspective on any of this stuff.

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Knock yourself out