aba caught bluffing against bobby baldwin in 1.8mil pot

[Mitch Evans]

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aba is just saying that he lost the last couple of sessions to he doesnt have to pay taxes on online winnings for the entire year.

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How would fabricating losses on a message board change his tax liability when the Bellagio is filing Brian's CTRs with the IRS?

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I don't get it.He just called with the stone cold nuts, which he flopped by the way?
I mean, there were a lot of moronic posters that claimed brian was outclassed and Baldwin is so great etc etc, but dude flopped the nuts and slowplayed them (even though, that could lead to your demise in Omaha).Brian said that he was just caught bluffing, so maybe Baldwin thought he is bluffing again but usually, when you just caught bluffing and pot it 3 times in a row, you have it.I'd imagine Brian would have at least a set here a lot of time, or maybe even the same AK with nut Fd redraw.

I am no Omaha expert and i know flopped straights aren't worth getting it allin on the flop if you are very deep cause you can be an underdog to the same hand with redraw or to a set + fd or something, so maybe his play made sense...in any case, looks like more of a case of Brian's temporary meltdown that Baldwin's awesome play.We have all been there.

In any case, it was just one hand, aba still moved from low limits to crushing highest stakes in the world, give the man the respect he deserves!

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he rivered the nuts, not flopped the nuts, if that hand is infact accurate.

[dhdell]

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A guy I know dealt the hand. He said it was plo.

Turn action board is QJxx no flush yet. aba pots it for 207k, Baldwin calls with AKQJ. River is a T for no flush. Aba thinks for a while and pots 621k or whatever. Baldwin thinks for a few min, to consider running it twice or what? They both have money behind he said, like maybe 200k or more. Baldwin just calls with the stone nuts!

He said it may be a high stakes etiquette since he is already winning the 1.8m pot why take another 200k off the guy?? I dunno sounds dumb, if you're playing poker shouldn't you always be going for blood? Especially in a big game like that?

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If this is true, it splains a lot.

Bobby is wicked smart. He "knew" that Brian was bluffing and could not pay off a raise on the end. He also calculated that if he just called, Brian would "know" that Bobby could read him so well that Bobby knew that a raise would be worthless.

However, Bobby calculated that to play the hand this way would put Brian on tilt. This way Brian would know what Bobby knew and not be able to chalk it off as just another failed bluff when he couldn't call the raise.

Bobby just miscalculated the extent/reaction of said tilt. Brian lifetilted so badly that had to leave the table, bow to Bobby, get manager to rack up an unknown amount of chips for him, get homesick/leave town, and not be able to post the hand as promised two days ago.

Sometimes Bobby is too smart for his own good. Bobby was definitely going for blood.

Unless Bobby thought that Brian had the nuts too and was trying to save time. ie Chad Brown v Kristy Gazes lol

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possibly the dumbest post yet, and how can you people honestly sit there and rag on aba when he is a winner in the game over the past couple weeks, he had a losing session get over it, everyone has them and i'm guessing from some of the responses i have read that the majority of idiots in this thread have them more then they have winning ones.

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Nahhh...Dumbest post is "What's a doorknob box?".

I'm so dumb that I didn't even realize that I was ragging on Brian/Aba!

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I sincerely hope that you are kidding.

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only a moron would win a million dollars at a cash game and then turn around and give the gov't 40% of it.

you keep the damn $400,000 and use it as part of your bankroll so that you can make more.

you pay taxes on your tourney winnings and other earnings only because you have no choice.

maybe when you hit the age of 50 do you give uncle sam "the world's biggest strong arm thief" a cut of your winnings. maybe 10% at the most.

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Huh???

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come on dude, i would guess that 99% of cash game players underpay their taxes.

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I would guess that 99% of live players dont have any taxes to pay.

That hand seems very very odd to me. I look forward to an edit - though the time isnt that late with all the travelling i wouldnt be shocked if he were tired and simply misremembering the hand. No way this is accurate:

"Someone limped UTG Bobby raised pot and I reraised pot with A567ds (I think; my hand doesn't matter though since I had no pair and no draw). The flop came QJT with two hearts. I fired pot of about 66K. He called and the turn came a 4 making a second flush draw in clubs. He checked again and I fired pot of about 200K. He called and the river came an off suit 9. I fired pot again for about 600K and he called with AKxx with two clubs."

I dont play 1k/2k PLO so cant comment on the preflop, flop and turn. But im pretty sure check calling the river with the stone cold nuts and Brian still having chips behind is not the best play for BB here.

Though if this were Brian betting the last of Bobbys chips on the river, it makes a lot more sense.

Also, lol @ Sponger. Nice level with the tax evasion stuff [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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So in recap, IDK where sammy got his money from

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Sure you do. Sounds like maybe you know when he first got it, but like everyone else you don't have a clue where it comes from. I seriously doubt it is anything illegal. The arabs are the richest people in the world but they don't go around boasting about it because they don't want to engender any more hatred from the west.

If Exxon made 17 billion in one quarter or whatever it was what do you think the countries and the families that actually control production and own the land are making?

Anyone that thinks the top 25 or so richest people in the world aren't Arab families is naive. I don't care what Forbes says, no way Buffet, Microsoft and some Euro-dude selling furniture are richer than the Arab families that control the oil. I'll take millions of barrels of oil every day over an operating system, an insurance peddler and a furniture maker. It makes perfect sense that from this fountain of money a small protion would trickle into the poker economy as does an unwillingness to disclose the source.

Didn't anyone read Mario Puzo's Fool's Die? "In this country you have to get rich in the Dark". There are no SEC filings or sets of books to audit when it comes to oil producing nations.

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The richest man in the world is now a Mexican. After that, you've got Buffett, Gates, the Indian Lakshmi Mittal who is worth about $40 billion because he owns a large part of the steel industry. No-one in the Middle East can compete with this because the wealth is spread across large families:

"Estimates place the total size of the royal family at 5000-plus princes, each one of whom is given $500,000 as a sort of start-up fee at birth. The family propagates at the alarming rate of between 35 and 40 princes each month. (For his personal pleasure, the founding king Ibn Saud kept four wives, four concubines, and four slaves, whose numbers he replenished frequently. He married into 30 tribes, a series of arrangements that supposedly helped knit the country together.)

The incredible wealth of this family is entirely based on American investment in and development of the country's oil fields, namely by Aramco, a joint venture of Standard Oil and Texaco. And the family has made money hand over fist, with annual oil revenues jumping from $4 billion in 1972 to $111 billion in 1981. Since the family runs the country, most of that money goes to them. Very little gets passed along through its medieval religious government to ordinary people."

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0141,ridgeway3,29134,6.html

So there's a lot of money, but it's not as concentrated as one guy owning most of a company. I'd take Gates' bank balance over any Saudi prince any day.

[Black winter day]

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he rivered the nuts, not flopped the nuts, if that hand is infact accurate.

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According to Brian's blog

The hand occurred as follows. Someone limped UTG Bobby raised pot and I reraised pot with A567ds (I think; my hand doesn't matter though since I had no pair and no draw). The flop came QJT with two hearts. I fired pot of about 66K. He called and the turn came a 4 making a second flush draw in clubs. He checked again and I fired pot of about 200K. He called and the river came an off suit 9. I fired pot again for about 600K and he called with AKxx with two clubs. What can I say other than I played bad and didn't think at all during the hand. It was like I was blinded and just couldn't stop bluffing.

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So after all the ridiculous comments made by people who have no idea, about how Aba is a good player but way over his head, met his match, out of his league against these tough live pros, his results for the trip were +300k and his comments were that the game was unbelievably soft, and way easier than online. I'll be looking forward to the "Oops, my bad, I'm retarded" posts from about a dozen or so posters.

[AMT]

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"The guy says Sam has "investors" who give him money to play with in exchange for the money back at a good return. This seems like a complete clueless or BS answer"

Yes, poker players are never staked ever. This does not happen and is totally laughable.

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While its certainly a possibility, it still does not explain how Sam makes his money. The origin of the rumor mill and any questions arising from it is the fact that Sam is a seemingly bad/losing player (in the context of the biggest games, at least), so having stakers wouldn't make much sense if he is never giving them this "good return" on their investments.

[tiltnonstop]

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he rivered the nuts, not flopped the nuts, if that hand is infact accurate.

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According to Brian's blog

The hand occurred as follows. Someone limped UTG Bobby raised pot and I reraised pot with A567ds (I think; my hand doesn't matter though since I had no pair and no draw). The flop came QJT with two hearts. I fired pot of about 66K. He called and the turn came a 4 making a second flush draw in clubs. He checked again and I fired pot of about 200K. He called and the river came an off suit 9. I fired pot again for about 600K and he called with AKxx with two clubs. What can I say other than I played bad and didn't think at all during the hand. It was like I was blinded and just couldn't stop bluffing.

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just wondering how the hand plays out once a 3rd heart come on the river. that would make a pretty tough river call, right?

on the other hand, baldwin has to put him on complete air to just CALL the turn. his nuts with the nf redraw would be a huge favourite vs just about any hand that brian would play that aggressively, so its an easy push when suspecting that brian has a flush draw/ set / lower str8 or even the same str8 (freeroll to the nuts then). pretty obv he just calls as he suspects brian has nothing at all, wants to see him bluff again and will call any river.

brian got owned pretty badly on that one [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]