New Fight Question

[gwhiz_612]

I wonder if the outcome would vary over 100 fights with the same two competitors, if that was possible. After all a fight is very dynamic in nature with so many things happening at once and so fast. I'm sure variance still has its nose in there somewhere. Kind of like poker-you might lose sometimes to worse players but in the long run your skill will pay dividends.

[kdotsky]

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I wonder if the outcome would vary over 100 fights with the same two competitors, if that was possible. After all a fight is very dynamic in nature with so many things happening at once and so fast. I'm sure variance still has its nose in there somewhere. Kind of like poker-you might lose sometimes to worse players but in the long run your skill will pay dividends.

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I think the variance would be very, very low. If it were two fighters in the same category (e.g. two SEALs), I think the variance would still be pretty low.

[BobAllinSki]

Its difficult, all the skill in the world dont mean [censored] if you cant perform on the day, in terms of raw ability I'd have to say

Martial Artist > UFC > Seal > Boxer > Street Fighter

But in terms of keeping your head and performing your best in a fight to the death I'd have to say

Seal > Street Fighter > Boxer > UFC > Martial Artist

The reason boxer is above ufc is because of the amount of ufc fights that end in grapples, going 10 rounds is character building but only a seal and to a lesser extent street fighters will be used to genuinly life threatening situations.

Overall I'd have to say UFC fighter would win.

Its hard to say where a martial fits in on skill, in fights likel ufc they never perform that well and I seem to remember a video from the 60's of a martial artist charity fighting a boxer and all he could do was keep kicking at his legs to keep the boxer away, but then it is very unlikely that the best martial artists in the world have ever been on TV in charity fights or ufc matches.

[seano34]

"I seem to remember a video from the 60's of a martial artist charity fighting a boxer and all he could do was keep kicking at his legs to keep the boxer away, but then it is very unlikely that the best martial artists in the world have ever been on TV in charity fights or ufc matches."

Considering the match you are referring to was MUHAMMED ALI vs Antonio Inoki (Google/Youtube if you dont believe me). I would say it is fairly abvious how a boxer's attack is stuffed outside of the strict rules of Boxing.

I am still loling at this thread. This is the sort of thread posted 12 years ago when UFC first emerged.

You would have thouught that the martial arts fanboys had dies away by now but obviously not.

Still the same old arguments trotted out about how there is some old grandmaster that lives on a mountain that would kill any of the highly trained ufc athletes.

Also this whole thread is counter intuitive to the "Volleyball question". TOP MMA fighters are rewarded very well (250-500k) a fight. So where are all these martial artists capable of beating them and earning some $$$$

[StregaChess]

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"Considering the match you are referring to was MUHAMMED ALI vs Antonio Inoki (Google/Youtube if you dont believe me). I would say it is fairly abvious how a boxer's attack is stuffed outside of the strict rules of Boxing.


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Bad example, that's an old man. Ali after the war stuff was a shell of what he was. He still dominated other boxers but he was nothing compared to what he had been. Antonio Inoki was a professional wrestler you realize that right???

Besides the whole fight was a scam so what are you talking about?

Actually if you want to take that stance...

Antonio Inoki versus Renzo Gracie
So a professional wrestler ties a Gracie...
Give me a break....

[John Kilduff]

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Considering the match you are referring to was MUHAMMED ALI vs Antonio Inoki (Google/Youtube if you dont believe me). I would say it is fairly abvious how a boxer's attack is stuffed outside of the strict rules of Boxing.

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That match was later considered more of a money-making publicity stunt rather than a serious match. As I recall, both contestants received a fixed payday and had plenty of incentive therefore not to risk getting seriously hurt. A win for Ali would not have mattered in his boxing career. A stalemate suited the two just fine and left the fans feeling rather dissatisfied. Why should Inoki risk getting a concussion and why should Ali risk getting an injured joint? Perhaps it was a sort of implicit collusion that developed while in the ring instead of a fully preplanned gaff but that's the way it turned out. Neither took any serious risks to try and to breach the other's defenses. The fans felt like chumps after the fact but hey who really cared.

[seano34]

Stunt it was. Boring ass fight it was too.

But if you think it was Rocky/Thunderlips style exhibition you are mistaken.

By buttscooting and kicking Ali's shins, Inoki prevented Ali from getting near him. That is my point.

Boxers will dominate under set rules, but they do not train how to defend kicks, takedowns, knees etc.

Its a non-argument that was settled for real 12 years ago.

[John Kilduff]

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I realy hate the stupidity in this thread from the seals fans but i just cant stop reading it.

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All Seals' battles are scripted by Hollywood. They never lose.

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Yeah, and my ex-SEAL friend J.T.'s encounter with those three guys who had knives trying to mug him on a dark street was scripted by Hollywood too. The one he killed got up and walked again, the one he left lying in the street jumped up laughing, and the one that ran away came running back and then they all went to J.T.'s favorite Irish pub and he bought them all a round of Guiness. Only thing is, J.T. has never been in the movies.

[seano34]

The problem is MMA ers are by their very definition - martial artists. They just happen to train in the most proven effective styles.

Karate, kung fu, tai chi and all that b0llocks was shown to be ineffective in real fight situations years ago.

[seano34]

I can guarantee those three guys with knives had them for scare value only then.

I dont care who you are - three guys with knives intending to use them vs anyone......no contest