banging chicks from myspace.com

[Spladle]

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I may have been a bit harsh earlier.

let me do an analysis.

The good:

1. You won't piss her off.
2. You probably wont scare her.
3. You expressed interest in her (so you made your point).
4. You got her attention.
5. You were funny (or tried to be, which is often enough)


Some of those may overlap, but i'm tired.

The bad:

1. You really did come off like a little bitch. Girls don't want to date little bitches.

2. This means you are likely to end up in friend zone.

3. You complimented her (which I think is a bad idea in an opener. We'll discuss it in opener theory later)

4. You failed to differentiate yourself from other guys. She sees you as the standard, no date getting loser on the internet. No flare.

5. You take no steps to develop her attraction towards you (besides being nonpushy which is good)

6. You don't seem like a challenge, nor do you establish any kind of self value.

blake

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Now this I can use. Thank you for the constructive criticism, I am always open to that.

Points one and two are related so I will respond to them simultaneously. I do not, unfortunately, recognize what it is I said that made me come off as a little bitch. Please elaborate on this because I do agree that girls do not want to [censored] little bitches.

Please elaborate also on why it is a bad idea to compliment her.

I agree that there is little to distinguish my letter from many others like it that women as attractive as her likely receive often. This part, perhaps, could be made a little more formulaic, though a little variation based upon the type of chick you were trying to lay would almost certainly be a good idea.

Regarding inciting attraction towards me: I do not know of any way to do this other than being myself. I am a pretty awesome human. That usually does the trick but if you have other ways please share them with me. I would appreciate that. 'Kay thanks.

Clarify point six as I am not sure what you were trying to say.

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I would be willing to bet you any amount up to and including $50 that I will be able to have sex with her inside of four weeks.

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That says much more about the quality of the girl than it does about the quality of your opener. Because your opener sucked hard.

Seriously, if the first ten posts after that are, "wtf dude that's awful," then there's probably something to it.

[Yeti]

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I may have been a bit harsh earlier.

let me do an analysis.

The bad:

1. You probably scared her.
2. You got her attention, albeit in a pathetic way.
3. You weren't funny.

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FYP

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Please just give up and stop trying to justify that opener. It was absolutely godawful and I feel embarassed to have read it.

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Okay.

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I would be willing to bet you any amount up to and including $50 that I will be able to have sex with her inside of four weeks.

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That says much more about the quality of the girl than it does about the quality of your opener.

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Seriously, if the first ten posts after that are, "wtf dude that's awful," then there's probably something to it.

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Under most circumstances I would completely agree with you. That is why I am a little confused. Because I have had sex with three girls in the past four days that I met on MySpace. So I thought I was pretty good at this. But maybe I am not and have just gotten lucky. I will have to think about it.

[The Truth]

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I may have been a bit harsh earlier.

let me do an analysis.

The good:

1. You won't piss her off.
2. You probably wont scare her.
3. You expressed interest in her (so you made your point).
4. You got her attention.
5. You were funny (or tried to be, which is often enough)


Some of those may overlap, but i'm tired.

The bad:

1. You really did come off like a little bitch. Girls don't want to date little bitches.

2. This means you are likely to end up in friend zone.

3. You complimented her (which I think is a bad idea in an opener. We'll discuss it in opener theory later)

4. You failed to differentiate yourself from other guys. She sees you as the standard, no date getting loser on the internet. No flare.

5. You take no steps to develop her attraction towards you (besides being nonpushy which is good)

6. You don't seem like a challenge, nor do you establish any kind of self value.

blake

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Now this I can use. Thank you for the constructive criticism, I am always open to that.

Points one and two are related so I will respond to them simultaneously. I do not, unfortunately, recognize what it is I said that made me come off as a little bitch. Please elaborate on this because I do agree that girls do not want to [censored] little bitches.

"Hiya! (come on);I guess (showing insecurity/unsure of yoursef);as awesome as you are gorgeous (you are putting her up above you);I do apologize(more appology/lack of confidence); big glass of chocolate milk. Yummy!(do i gotta explain?)"


Please elaborate also on why it is a bad idea to compliment her.

It isn't a bad idea to compliment her. It is a bad idea to complement her looks. It is a bad idea to compliment her in the opener. Complimenting her early, puts you below her, also it places you in a category with all the other guys who compliment her all the time. There are a few more reasons, but those are 2 big ones.


I agree that there is little to distinguish my letter from many others like it that women as attractive as her likely receive often. This part, perhaps, could be made a little more formulaic, though a little variation based upon the type of chick you were trying to lay would almost certainly be a good idea.

Yep, I agree that you have to tailor the opener to the girl.

Regarding inciting attraction towards me: I do not know of any way to do this other than being myself. I am a pretty awesome human. That usually does the trick but if you have other ways please share them with me. I would appreciate that. 'Kay thanks.

You actually did it a little bit. You were funny. and nonpushy. You can attract her by intriguing her, getting her emotional, or displaying why you would be great to be around (without boasting). Being different, some novelty can do it as well.

The "Inside?" opener does this well. It shows creativity, playfulness, it is intriguing (as it confuses her), and it is different. (I don't advocate this opener, but it does this stuff well. I lump the "Inside?" opener with your opener under "Will get you laid sometimes, but not close to optimal" folder 6/10 on a 1-10 scale.)

Clarify point six as I am not sure what you were trying to say.

The idea that she is going to have to work or be special in order to get to go out with you. You have lots of options, you are the one who gets to be picky and choosy not her. Self value is just that, you have lots of value and she has to work to get you.

Something stupid like, "Well, it looks like your a good dancer, but can you cook?" will challenger her some.

Self value is really an attitude that comes off in your writing. So, being cocky will do the trick.


Side notes by blake:

As ive said, I am new to this online dating thing. Lets see if we can get it to work for us.

Give me some feedback on opener ideas as well as ideas for how to make the profile good.

blake

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i think the best, and easiest way to go is to send the most basic, simple message possible if cold-messaging someone.

the reason is, if that person looks at your profile and considers you attractive, then they will get back to you despite your simple email.

now that you know they are slighly interested, then you can attempt to be witty/funny/interesting.

this way you get to put out minimal initial effort, and if responded to, you know it is because of something other than your oh-so-clever message.

then again maybe my viewpoint is skewed, and most of you guys actually do need to try hard to differentiate yourselves and be "INTRIGUEING GUY".

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I am not going to quote the post that I am replying to in the interest of not taking up too much space. But I will go over it point by point.

I see now that you are absolutely right about points 1 and 2. I overlooked these things before but I am not sure how. In my attempt to appear light-hearted and playful it seems I went too far. That is okay. Thank you for bringing it to my attention though.

Regarding compliments. I do not think that complimenting a person places you below them in their mind. Though I do see where you are coming from, I have gotten into the habit of explaining to people why it is that I decided to send them a message, and that usually necessitates a compliment. Whether or not it is good to compliment in the opener is an idea that will need to be discussed further.

What you say about being a challenge and self-value does not seem important to me. It is an opener. You are the one initiating contact so trying to act like this girl is lucky to have gotten this letter from you is rather retarded and silly I think. Although in general I do agree with the principle that putting people on pedestals is NOT the way to get them wanting you, I feel that you simply must take a rational view of the situation if you are to succeed - and the situation is that you are writing a person you do not know in the hopes that they will write you back. That reeks a bit of desperation. My opinion is that it is better to be up front and open rather than challenging and cocky. When you introduce yourself I mean. Obviously you are allowed to change your behavior after you have established a rapport.

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i think the best, and easiest way to go is to send the most basic, simple message possible if cold-messaging someone.

the reason is, if that person looks at your profile and considers you attractive, then they will get back to you despite your simple email.

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The desperate/slutty ones will. The smart/non-desperate ones won't.
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then again maybe my viewpoint is skewed, and most of you guys actually do need to try hard to differentiate yourselves and be "INTRIGUEING GUY".

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I am pretty sure most girls would find me more attractive than you. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[chuddo]

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I am pretty sure most girls would find me more attractive than you. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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impossible.