The Official FGators Put up or Shut up Thread

[hra146]

okay, I have good news and I have bad news.

The bad news is that PT is being a [censored] and there is no way I could even get all the hands in without it crashing.

The good news is that holdem manager is doing just fine and imports about 6x faster. Running a 42MB file now and looking at the time so we can make accurate predictions.


Anybody: Does pokergrapher work with holdem manager? Or are we only gonna have the HM built-in graph?


Regarding the EV graph. Somebody needs to split those files for me into like 1 - 2k hand chunks.



GSykes, how is it going for you?

[RunyonAve]

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i would probably set the line at lifetime winnings of $3k over 4 million hands

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including tournies? if just cash, it's gotta be under...

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i can recall one tourny off the top of my head that he placed 2nd in and cashed for 23k... granted i'm sure he dumped that back into cash games

[LiveNow]

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i would probably set the line at lifetime winnings of $3k over 4 million hands

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including tournies? if just cash, it's gotta be under...

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I'll put $50 on the over for cash games.

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just 200nl? or including 400nl and 100nl/whatever else he took shots at.

[GrandMelon]

god i cant wait for this

[iron81]

Booked, but not for livenow because he's too slow.

[PocketElevens]

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fgators,

as i said before, u dont get any value at all from your marginal hands due to the image u promote.

the big hands and coolers u experience constitutes prob 98% of ur winnings or losses, whereas players who consistently win depend on those situations far less as their means of extracting money. they generate and win significantly more of those $60 pots that you never win because you just check call oop and never fire multiple barrels or riverbets with those marginal hands.

as a result of this, u make urself incredibly exploitable and regulars can handread you easy so they never donate to you. when you do things like CC on a 982 flop oop, when the turn is a king, whatever hero has in position you prob CF the turn like 90% of the time.

conversely, when u cc on a J63 flop oop after just calling pre, we can safely put you on QJ+ and know not to fire any more barrels unless we improve. so when we do, you scream like a little girl how the PokerStars RNG has screwed you over, when in reality it's your playing style that has.

basically out of this comes the theory of gator dollars. other players who play looser and valuebet thinner are capable of finding more +EV spots from both regs and fish, and thus make more.

you, however, stand to never make any money in postflop situations, and can only stack donkeys.

I anticipate your pokerEV thing to maybe run slightly better or worse than the norm, but it will be considerably more erratic than other players at your level, because they are able to influence and win bigger pots that you would never even have thunk to do. the best example I can think of is you never end up with a hand on the river for stacks that backed into something.

anyways, this is the most and prob last I will say on the subject. FGators plays a style of poker that can crush tournaments, SNGs, and live cashgames in most places, however in online cashgames above $1/2 his inability to extract value from thinner than obvious spots leads to his only "swings" coming from cooler situations that [i]everyone else experiences[i]. as a result, his winrate is close to zero, deviating only above or below the norm when he wins or loses his coolers more often than is normal.

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I'd just like to say this was one of the bests reads I've had on two plus two in months.

[hra146]

sweet, it just did 32k hands in 6 mins. And I havent even taken all the measures to speed up the system.

Doing that now and reporting back.

[LiveNow]

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Booked, but not for livenow because he's too slow.

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i'll do it, whatever. i assume you'll want an escrow as i have like 30 posts. who should i send to?
Edit: nvm, bet someone else

[GSykes]

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okay, I have good news and I have bad news.

The bad news is that PT is being a [censored] and there is no way I could even get all the hands in without it crashing.

The good news is that holdem manager is doing just fine and imports about 6x faster. Running a 42MB file now and looking at the time so we can make accurate predictions.


Anybody: Does pokergrapher work with holdem manager? Or are we only gonna have the HM built-in graph?


Regarding the EV graph. Somebody needs to split those files for me into like 1 - 2k hand chunks.



GSykes, how is it going for you?

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My PT just [censored] the bed and crashed on me.

I am doing holdem manager as we speak.

[Gildwulf]

I gotta go catch a plane, but I'll take a lot of action on the under for this...be back in like 10 hrs