Peyton Manning, Greatest QB of all time?

[CharlieDontSurf]

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Palmer.

Edit: by the way, we did the "2nd best qb of the last 5 years" thing and per DPAR, Brady is the #2 but not by much over guys like Palmer, Green, Bulger, and Brees.

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I think Palmer is the only reasonable (besides Brady) in the hypothetical, but I think the vast majority of NFL execs would take Brady over him (or anyone else, with Brees being the other top choice I think)

They had very similar years in 2005, Palmer was better this year (although I don't think DPAR accounts for the fact that Brady played with an entirely new set of WR's this year), and Brady was a lot better in 2004.

Brady is 29
Palmer is 27

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Right now
I would probably go
Peyton
Palmer
Healthy McNabb (which isn't happening so it is moot)
Brees
Brady
Bulger.

Though there is a huge gap between 1 and 2.

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Nothing personal Pudge..but if Brady had Chad Johnson, TJ, Chad Henry, and Rudi Johnson instead of the chumps he has now...you wouldn't even question putting Brady at #2.

It is easily
1.Manning
2. Brady

3. Palmer


4. Brees(but your gambling given he's had major shoulder surgery.)
5. McNabb
6. Cutler/Rivers...cuz they are young
7. Vick...with the right team/system Vick could be unstoppable.

[Assani Fisher]

I think that many of you are underestimating just how much it helps to have great talent around you on offense. Things are so much easier when you have a guy like Chad Johnson or Marvin Harrison to throw to.

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It's also easier to win titles when you have Seymour, Law, Bruschi, etc. on your D.

[TheRover]

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7. Vick...with the right team/system Vick could be unstoppable.

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i agree, he would be terrific at a place like Florida State.

[CharlieDontSurf]

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Pudge in 3/6 years since 2001, Jake Plummer has finished higher in DPAR than Tom Brady. I guess that means it's pretty much a toss-up between these 2 guys?

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Don't mess with Snake, he's gonna take the Texans to the playoffs next year.

[CharlieDontSurf]

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7. Vick...with the right team/system Vick could be unstoppable.

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i agree, he would be terrific at a place like Florida State.

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He'd go 14-2 or better with Denver and they would win the SB.

[CharlieDontSurf]

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How is it at all fair to penalize Palmer's first year as a starter (second in the league)? Were I to use common sense to adjust, I would realize that Palmer being so unusually above average for someone in only his first season is quite an accomplishment and likely a great indicator of future pwnage. I would then common sensically consider his superb 2nd season, his excellent third season, and his age and come to the obvious conclusions.

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Put Brady on the Bengals and Palmer on Pats next year...something tells me Palmer will be worse and Brady will be better...call me crazy but its just a hunch I have.

[TheRover]

i also forgot to mention that palmer's stats are depressed this season by those early struggles he had coming off the knee injury.

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He was also without Henry for multiple games and Perry for most of the season.

[TheNoodleMan]

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7. Vick...with the right team/system Vick could be unstoppable.

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i agree, he would be terrific at a place like Florida State.

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He'd go 14-2 or better with Denver and they would win the SB.

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Hilarious.