ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

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If you have six accounts, you can take ~50/50 coinflips with all of them and double up three of the stacks on average. These are all risks that a good player will usually not take with his tournament life at stake early in a tournament. With six stacks, though, it changes everything.

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This is exactly the same as entering 6 different (but identical in terms of entries/buy-in) MTTs, which isn't "more pos EV" in terms of ROI.

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Then why aren't they doing just that (single-account entering multiple tournaments at once - across multiple sites if neccessary)? It's not like there's any shortage of online tournaments. Thus, it's clear that the multiple entries are being made with the clear ==intent== to take unfair advantage (i.e., cheat) the poor chumps who can't/won't do this.


-- C.T. Jackson

[ggbman]

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If I were him, I'd be EXPERIMENTING WITH HARD DRUGS .

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fyp.

[NLfool]

holy sh!t. Do you realize besides the the MTT stuff he could've and probably did play like 6 accounts on a SNG. That was where he made a large about of money so the chance of him sitting at the same table was ... uh 100%.

[Jshuttlesworth]

People wouldn't do multiple entries if it weren't pos ev, so I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying it's not because you can "take coinflips" or because "you always have 9 outs."

[Jshuttlesworth]

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holy sh!t. Do you realize besides the the MTT stuff he could've and probably did play like 6 accounts on a SNG. That was where he made a large about of money so the chance of him sitting at the same table was ... uh 100%.

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Highly doubt that.

[MicroBob]

a few thoughts after reading most of this thread.

1 - wow, what a long thread. I have to admit that I can't help but be rather disappointed. The 8-men out reference is spot-on. My immediate reaction was, "Say it so Zee!!"


2 - kudos to party for figuring this out. thumbs-down for having to be told about it by someone else. seriously, he's on 6 accounts and they can evidently SEE that he's on 6 accounts if they just look at it. But they needed somebody ELSE to have a hunch about it before they even looked into it??
One assumes this wasn't the first time that Zee did this. So why did it take them so long to figure it out?


3 - Did we find out how urmeowed had this suspicion in the first place?


4 - Ed, your opinion is somewhat interesting I guess.

I think you greatly underestimate the chance of zee sitting with himself in a 1000+ player tournament.

There are 6 of him. There are maybe 100 or 200 tables going in some of these semi-large field tourneys.
And he's easily a strong enough player where he can get 2 or 3 of these accounts to the final 10 tables.

I wouldn't be surprised if he wound up sitting at a table with himself at some point in MANY of the tourneys he plays in.

With 6 accounts registered this can't JUST be about maximizing your chances 6 different ways.

There HAVE to be lots of scenarios where he ends up on the same table as himself and gets to benefit.

It would be tough enough to play in a tourney with 6 Zee's in the field (as has been pointed out before) but to say that the chances of him being at the same table with himself is miniscule is nuts.


I can't begin to count the number of large-field tourneys where I recognize somebody else at my table from the same tourney the day before (just for example).

23 random people in a room. The chances that 2 of them have the same birthday are greater than 50/50.

Stuff like that.

6 players: 200 tables.
Also some switching-tables (and losing players in there) he is going to be sitting with himself at some point more often than you seem to think.


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Your buddies should be lucky that it's not a "criminal act".


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It is a criminal act; it's called international wire fraud. Who's gonna enforce it though. It would have to involve US cooperation and extradition for this to happen, which I don't see as very likely at this time....however, I wouldn't be absolutely shocked if did happen.

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mempho - there is no way the WSOP is going to ban him from participating in their events imo.

Also, if this is international-wire fraud then the act of gambling itself is breaking the 1961 wire-act.

Trying to claim that this is international-wire fraud seems like it would be like trying to use legal-means to get to the bookie who decided not to pay you when the Knicks covered the spread.


I just don't think there is any international-wire fraud justification here because of the legal grey-area that surrounds online-poker.



Additionally, it's possible that Party is covered in their T&C's where I assume they say (not going to read it again) that their judgement on breaking their rules is final.

There was a situation in their tournaments. They have made their initial determination that cheating was involved...and they are continuing to look into it.

[junglewarfare]

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holy sh!t. Do you realize besides the the MTT stuff he could've and probably did play like 6 accounts on a SNG. That was where he made a large about of money so the chance of him sitting at the same table was ... uh 100%.

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I am sure he never did this. If he had he would have been caught very very fast.

[CardSharpCook]

It is amazing to me that someone making what, 30-150k a month playing poker would risk it all by doing something so stupid as this. Call me naive, but I don't believe that ZJ grandmas to get at the same table to cheat. Though he undoubtedly has had 2 accounts at the same table before numerous times, and I wouldn't be surprised if 3 or maybe even 4 hit the same table once on one freak Sunday. I have turned down lucrative RB deals that required that I sign up under my brother's name. Why? Don't kill the chicken that laid the golden egg.

Justin, you cheated. You cheated at cards. Though from what little I know of you, you probably didn't think of yourself as cheating. Well, you are a cheat. I hope that you realize that now. When you explain this to your parents, include all the ambiguities in your actions, but be sure admit that you are a cheater.

[MLG]

wow. Im blown away. That is all.

[Kyo Souma II]

To: [email protected]

I was wondering.. If zeejustin has funds seized, can you give them to me? Back when we were little, he stole a pack of gum from me and I told him I'd charge him interest. He laughed at me and I think this would be a good way to get back at him.

Give Lee my best

Thanks,

Adam
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Hello,

That doesn't seem very reasonable.

Regards,

Kyle
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