The Vegetarian Torture

[El Ishmael]

lol Evan.

[DrewDevil]

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And the morality of vegetarians presupposes a level of equivalence between humans and animals.

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If you honestly believe that, you arent very intelligent.

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Why do you say that?

If you are a vegetarian for health reasons, that's one thing.

But if you are a vegetarian for moral reasons, there has to be something about the animal that makes it deserve not to be killed... what is it? It has to be to avoid "cruelty," or "torture," or other human concepts.

Paluka keeps saying he just prefers not to kill animals, but he doesn't say why. I suspect it's because there's some moral underpinning that gives animals "rights," or anthropomorphizes (sp?) them in some way.

But correct me if I'm wrong.

[The DaveR]

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And the morality of vegetarians presupposes a level of equivalence between humans and animals.

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If you honestly believe that, you arent very intelligent.

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Why do you say that?

If you are a vegetarian for health reasons, that's one thing.

But if you are a vegetarian for moral reasons, there has to be something about the animal that makes it deserve not to be killed... what is it? It has to be to avoid "cruelty," or "torture," or other human concepts.

Paluka keeps saying he just prefers not to kill animals, but he doesn't say why. I suspect it's because there's some moral underpinning that gives animals "rights," or anthropomorphizes (sp?) them in some way.

But correct me if I'm wrong.

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You're conflating the extreme (anthropomorphism) with just not wanting to kill things unnecessarily.

[scrub]

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Vegetarians - if you have kids, are you raising them in a strictly vegetarian household, or cooking meat on occasion for them / allowing them to eat it outside of the home?

-Al

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We are raising our child vegetarian.

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My sister and my girlfriend have been vegetarians in the past, but they stopped because it was too difficult to get all of the nutrients they needed on a regular basis.

Is there a higher risk that a child raised on a vegetarian diet won't get all the nutrients he or she needs?

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[Evan]

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lol Evan.

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NO ONE owns a rabbit.

well...

[CallMeIshmael]

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But if you are a vegetarian for moral reasons, there has to be something about the animal that makes it deserve not to be killed... what is it? It has to be to avoid "cruelty," or "torture," or other human concepts.

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Are you trying to say that its not morally wrong to treat animals cruely? To torture them?

[stabn]

Evan,

Lets say i cook a pancake and i put it on a rabbit's head, like so:







Does the rabbit own the pancake, or do i own the pancake? Can Rabbit's own pancakes?

[Paluka]

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Vegetarians - if you have kids, are you raising them in a strictly vegetarian household, or cooking meat on occasion for them / allowing them to eat it outside of the home?

-Al

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We are raising our child vegetarian.

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My sister and my girlfriend have been vegetarians in the past, but they stopped because it was too difficult to get all of the nutrients they needed on a regular basis.

Is there a higher risk that a child raised on a vegetarian diet won't get all the nutrients he or she needs?

scrub

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Well it isn't really "chance". You have to educate yourself a bit and make sure you are feeding your kid properly. This is true of non-vegetarian parents too.

[Georgia Avenue]

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lol Evan.

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go away p-dirty

[Evan]

stabn, I'm not going to tell you that no one "owns" a pancake. It's just not true. That rabbit clearly owns THAT pancake, you can see it in his eyes. But to say that ANY rabbit would "own" ANY pancake on it's head is not only inaccurate, but irresponsible.