My Side of the Story

[Chairman Wood]

Vanessa and others,
I am not a tourney player so perhaps there exists a different culture there. However I was a little interested in this part: [ QUOTE ]
2. When I asked Freddy to show his cards to me after I called his re-raise and showed my pocket twos, I thought that I was entirely within my rights as a player as I had “paid to see,” and Freddy was sitting directly to my right and was playing fairly aggressively and I thought that being able to see what he re-raised me with would be valuable information. I never forced him to show, I never asked the dealer to show the cards, I simply turned to him and said: “Would you mind showing me? After all I did pay to see ” Freddy smiled, flipped over A9, and said he was impressed with my call. After some other players at the table told me it was bad etiquette to ask to see, I apologized profusely and let it be known to all that it was the unknowing mistake of an inexperienced player. Later in the day, in private, I apologized again to Freddy, and he said that he was not at all offended (as he also stated at the table in my defense). My intentions were certainly not to be rude or disrespectful at all. In fact, I really do pride myself for what I have always thought was classy and respectful (albeit sometimes goofy) table demeanor.



[/ QUOTE ] Since when is this poor etiquette? This is entirely within the rules and I think that any reasonable person who knows poker knows that is your right to do so. At the most whenever I have asked for this I have received a glare from inexperienced players only. Those players saying this is poor etiquette are completely wrong and IMO your apologies were not necessary. It is definately not unproper to ask especially if you were doing so politely. If him or any other players were to deny you that right by tossing the cards into the much that would be extremely poor etiquette.

[RobDoral]

Anyone else feel like a dick for voting that she wasn't "hot"?

[UATrewqaz]

While your post is eloquent, it is of course your side of the story. I highly doubt you'd actually 100% fess up to slow rolling and other poor table etiquette if you were actually engaged in them.

I wasn't there of course so I have no idea what was actually said or done, so I can't cast judgements or defend you. However people rarely just make up a whole bunch of stuff like this.

[Slubrad]

who are you and why would I care???
its not like you invented tater-tots or something.....

[thedarknight]

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While your post is eloquent, it is of course your side of the story. I highly doubt you'd actually 100% fess up to slow rolling and other poor table etiquette if you were actually engaged in them.

I wasn't there of course so I have no idea what was actually said or done, so I can't cast judgements or defend you. However people rarely just make up a whole bunch of stuff like this.

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I find this amusing to finally go to the third page and uncover the only sensible response in this thread. You fellow 2+2'rs are that easily influenced? I laud Vanessa's courage to come onto the forums and state her side of the story. I extend my congratulations to your finish. But to my fellow 2+2'rs how do you guys easily buy into this? Is there not a vigilant eye around here?

"Great post!! Ignore those childish remarks!! Everyone's always hating on the successful people!"

You guys seem to forget it's not just a bunch of vengeful posters criticizing Vanessa out of pure $hits and giggles. Are you guys saying Jean Gluck and Liz are fabricating lies? Vanessa's post has implied this. What about the other reports, like the J high flush vs. Q high flush incident? Are people just making up stories out of pure jealousy? And why on Vanessa? Why did no one rag on Erica or Evelyn if the poker world is so mysogynistic? What's the "accuser's" motive? We're obviously not getting the real story, and I guess we never will. But it's not like everyday there are some character assasins waiting to pounce on the game's new star. We have rather credible sources that are making claims.

I'm not saying her post is BS, but like a poster said, it's not like she would admit to slow rolling or bad etiquette. No one likes to admit they're a bad person or consciously doing something wrong. Who's going to admit to that? Usually people will respond for their acts in the, "Oh it didn't happen," "Oh I didn't know," "Oh that's total BS..people are out to hate on me," defense. Only Vanessa knows herself, and if she's content with her actions then so be it.

I'm not here on some crusade to belittle Vanessa's accomplishments. She sounds like a very talented woman. Many posters have also said she's very nice as well. I was rooting for her to make the final 6 and maybe even win it. It would be great for poker. But what's not good for poker is bad behavior and tv personalities demanding the spotlight. I'm not saying that's what you are, in fact I wish these reports are false. But if they aren't, then I'm glad Jean and Liz have spoken up about it. We don't need anymore Hellmuth's and Matusow's. We will never stop these types of people from playing the game. However, we should at least give credit to the people who truly perform and handle success with class.

[MsGluck]

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Thanks for post Vanessa, I think that clears up a lot of the accussations against you.

Btw, do you have any response to James Van Alstyne's remarks on the circuit about not shaking his hand after you were eliminated? After he received all the 'stories' about your slow roll play, he called your reaction 'poker justice'.

As well, I suggest you call the cardplayer circuit show out because they basically bad mouthed you at the 'final table preview show' and tried to ruin your reputation to potentially thousands of poker players worldwide. Just an idea to set the record straight there as well.



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According to Vanessa, WE are all wrong about her... Me, Liz Lieu, James Van Alstyne, The Circuit. It's funny to see how a law student would cover something like this up. Well done! I never insulted you looks or your intelligence, I merely exposed your bad poker play. Which it seems you still can't own up to. This will be my last post about this nonsense. Good Luck everyone!

[Ghazban]

Nice post-- welcome to the forums

[Assani Fisher]

Its clear that Vanessa didn't intend to do harm. Perhaps she is guilty of whatever she is being accussed of, but her tone and well thought out response shows me that her intentions weren't bad. As someone her same age and also relatively lacking experience when it comes to big time poker, I empathsize(sp?) with her. This should be a dead issue now imo.

[Liferules]

Well personally *I* think its pure jealousy - I heard there were certain pros continually dogging Internet players in Costa Rica and showing no class whatsover. A real pro has respect for everyone on and off the table.

[AntonHeat]

Im really on know ones side because I don't know what happend, but alot of the pros tend to put down the new players because they feel since there pro they can bad mouth newb internet youngsters [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]