Do we really know that online poker is on the level? I.E., not rigged

[apefish]

First of all, never use those three forums in the same sentence.

Second- riggers, please.

[ginko]

You guys have two options:

1. Play online poker.

2. Don't play online poker.

Personally, I don't think online poker is fixed, simply because there is too much at stake. They don't want people walking around saying online poker is rigged, it would hurt their business.

Accept it or don't.

[Trogdor!]

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[ibluffoldladies]

I don't know if online poker is rigged or not, but I LOL when somebody uses the "database" defense. Online poker can be rigged and the data wouldn't show anything unusual.

[corsakh]

How exactly can it be rigged in a way that a DB would show nothing unusual?

[Adebisi]

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How exactly can it be rigged in a way that a DB would show nothing unusual?

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They could preset varience. Like when a bad player gets his account really low, he'll often go on a rush for a few days. If a good player starts taking too much money out of the games, he'll often go on a downswing. All the probabilities could remain the same, but the site could make more in rake by influencing when and to whom the "natural" swings of the game occur.

[EvanJC]

obviously

[eljizzle]

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How exactly can it be rigged in a way that a DB would show nothing unusual?

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They could preset varience. Like when a bad player gets his account really low, he'll often go on a rush for a few days. If a good player starts taking too much money out of the games, he'll often go on a downswing. All the probabilities could remain the same, but the site could make more in rake by influencing when and to whom the "natural" swings of the game occur.

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I agree completely.

I remember the first time I started to think it was rigged. I had just taken a ridiculous beat in a 1/2 NL cash game. I was super pissed and wanted to be done with online poker altogether so the next hand I made a big raise with 99 and got a couple callers. I decided I was going to push regardless and either double/triple up, or be done with online poker. The flop came JJT and it was checked to me. I pushed with my nines and got called by JT. There was a slight "delay" before the turn and river and it came running nines for me to make quads and not only stay alive but keep money on the site. I obviously can't say for sure that its rigged or its not, but let's suggest for just a moment that that particular hand was rigged to keep me in the action a few more days/weeks... How could any tracking software possibly reveal that? It was "variance" I was a .03% favorite to win that hand on the flop or whatever, and that is the ONE time in my life that I will win it, end of story. I'm not as articulate as most of you, but I really don't understand how the "datamining" argument holds any weight whatsoever. The skeptics are not suggesting EVERY hand is rigged, just a few key turns and rivers here and there to put certain people on good runs and/or keep them on the site. I don't see how datamining could ever prove that.

[ibluffoldladies]

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How exactly can it be rigged in a way that a DB would show nothing unusual?

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What if I decided to deal a staged hand? I will deal AK to somebody, and pocket 7s to somebody else. I also want the flop to be K 7 A. You can't say the hand was rigged by looking at the numbers.

[madmonk]

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It would be impossible to mess with the RNG and not have multitabeling regulars notice when they're looking through their PT records.

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Well, you should play so many hands that it is almost impossible to prove that RNG is rigged. My guess is that it would need 5 or 10 million hands, maybe more to prove it. So no... regulars won't notice it.

But if you think that RNG is rigged, it is rigged same way to everybody. Just learn how to beat it.